Very interesting concept. If it works that would be awesome.

I first heard about it in a mailer from the Cable Co, and they raved about it. Of course they tend to rave about a lot of things. Three grand is an awful lot to spend on this stuff though, especially considering that the Cathedral panels are only about $90.

Ermmmmmmmm.............hahahahahah........NO. This is just more , "Hey you know other snake oil companies are making a killing on gullible audiophiles, so why not us too?"

fiji5555- I would have agreed with you 100% except for one thing. I heard the Synergistic Research Acoustic ART System at this years RMAF in Denver. They worked so well at the show that I bought a complete set on the spot. When I got the system home they transformed my system- even my low freq "honk" and boom are gone. Boomy bass was something I thought I would have to live with given the dimensions of my listening room but the ART System transformed my listening room top to bottom.

I can't figure out HOW they work but they DO. Their effects are not subtle.

Jeez TLA how much money did they pay you to say that? It sounds like a bad testimonial to say the least. Seriously, you must work for the company and are trying to do some "damage control" to the company's image. The whole concept reeks of bad pseudo-science. Sorry I'm not buying into your "testimonial"

jijil5555,
You have not tried it, I have. Yours is an opinion based on...?

Judging from your posts here, I imagine you would have been the first to burn someone at the steak for being a witch, a heretic, or for any idea that is outside of your rather narrow mindset.

Have a nice day.

TLA nice try...judging by your posts here I can see you've only posted two both of which was to me so I still think you are affiliated with the company ......my narrow mind set is based on sound scientific reasoning NOT mumbo jumbo......go have a nice day yourself :)

fiji5555,
I just heard the SR Acoustic ART in my dealers reference system- Luxman electronics, Esoteric DAC, transport and clock, and a pair of Wilson Audio Alexandra speakers all in a specially designed custom listening room with traditional room acoustics. The system sounded (as one would expect) amazing- like nothing I have ever heard before. Then the salesman removed the Acoustic ART from the walls and the soundfield fell flat and the bass became ill defined. This was not subtle. In fact the 300k system sounded somewhat "ordinary" without the acoustic system in place.

Just my 2 cents.

ahhhhh Asian has been a member here for 5 hours and 10 minutes and just "happened" to drop by and just "happened" to have heard the above system. What a coincidence.........listen guys seriously please stop beating this dead horse and accept the fact that your products are snake oil and have no sonic benefits what so ever ok? This is my last post on the subject by the way........best of luck fleecing the ill informed and rich :)

5555,
Who do YOU work for? I did a google search on "Synergistic Research Acoustic ART" looking for information and found this thread.

Perhaps if I spent as much time posting to consumer electronics threads as you profess I would qualify to share my opinion.

I'm with Fiji5555 on this one. This is a ridiculous concept and anyone with an ounce of intelligence would see through this junk. TLA and Asian sound like the same person to me,and TLA, it's burn someone at the STAKE not STEAK lmao unless you were wanting a dinner. Asian, perhaps if you spent time educating yourself, then you wouldn't have bought into this silly idea but then again I also think you and TLA are just company shills making false claims of being consumers that bought an AAS system. Yeah right.

Johnny- you are with Fiji5555 on this one or ARE YOU Fiji5555? I have heard the Acoustic ART System in my dealers reference system (Music Lovers in Berkley California). May I suggest you also take a listen or do you have some other vested interest? Surely if this is merely a "false product" there will be nothing to hear if and when you do listen. May I ask who you are you shilling for?

Me thinks you (both) protest too much.

Wtf? what ever dude, get over yourself. Go peddle your crap somewhere else.

I heard the SR Acoustic ART at Athen-hifishow for some weeks ago. The difference with or without were just amazing. Open youre ears and mind and go to youre local dealer and judge yourself.

Hi fiji5555 and JohnnyR,

Yes, this is my first post on Audio Junkie, but I have hundreds on other forums including several reviews.

No, I am not affilliated with Synergistic Research but I do own their Tesla power cords, speaker cables, and Teslaplex receptacles.

I too had a lot of trouble accepting that these things could do anything much and even after hearing them at RMAF, I remained undecided. Now that I have heard them in several different environments with top-notch systems in each, I want one.

But I admire your tenacity toward condemning things without hearing them. Bose has a nice commercial with folks like you who 'can have better sound with the Bose Wave Radio than those complicated component systems'. Ignorance is bliss (and a heck of a lot cheaper too)!

Oh great, now AAS has two more flunkies sending in rave reviews about their silly products JUST so people searching on Google for their "products" won't be put off by someone with a brain that knows better than to believe this BS. Lol Crown's testimony sounds like it was written by 5 people before it was "approved" to be sent here and as for Opensound's, "Yes, this is my first post on Audio Junkie, but I have hundreds on other forums including several reviews." well lets see some please?
You also said,
But I admire your tenacity toward condemning things without hearing them. Bose has a nice commercial with folks like you who 'can have better sound with the Bose Wave Radio than those complicated component systems'. Ignorance is bliss (and a heck of a lot cheaper too)!
Hahahaha that's priceless, trying to tie in my opinion on this crap (which anyone with ANY audio and scientific knowledge would KNOW that it's all snake oil and based upon people's gullibility and belief system),with Bose which is another crap company is too funny to be believed But I KNOW if I keep posting responses on here that some "new" poster will respond with a "The difference with or without were just amazing. Open youre ears and mind and go to youre local dealer and judge yourself." because the head of the company DOESN'T want his well thought out fleecing idea to go belly up. Well lets see how many more "new posters" come on here and tell me I'm narrow minded and that the product is just hunky dory, amazing and wow just go buy it! Lol like Fiji555 I've had enough of this banter and will not be responding so to all who come here looking, may the buyer beware.

JohnnyR,

Your latest post speaks for itself (and for you):

"Oh great, now AAS has two more flunkies sending in rave reviews about their silly products"

Reply: I don't think that my post was even close to a 'rave review', so you must be referring to some other "AAS" flunky (whatever "AAS" is - perhaps you mean Synergistic Research or A.R.T).

"Yes, this is my first post on Audio Junkie, but I have hundreds on other forums including several reviews." well lets see some please?"

Reply: Based on your wonderful disposition, I think I will pass on opening myself up to your attacks on other forums.

"But I KNOW if I keep posting responses on here that some "new" poster will respond with a "The difference with or without were just amazing. Open youre ears and mind and go to youre local dealer and judge yourself."

Reply: I agree with you that it makes much more sense to judge things based on your obviously superior intellect than to go out and actually hear them. By the way, genius, I believe 'youre' is spelled 'your' in this context.

"Well lets see how many more "new posters" come on here and tell me I'm narrow minded..."

Reply: I don't think 'narrow' will be the first adjective "new posters" envision when considering your mind.

"I've had enough of this banter and will not be responding so to all who come here looking..."

Well, just pick up your toys and go home! We will certainly miss you. Perhaps you can go pick on those boneheads that keep insisting that the world is round.

Wow I've never seen so many people on one thread trying to convince themselves that AAS or ART isn't a sham and a crock. I found it very funny how those with audio or scientific understanding are bashed while the idiots that claim to have bought or heard this system rave on and on. Me thinks they protest too much about not being part of the company. I smell a rat. By the way Opensound, JohnnyR was quoting Crown word for word when he typed youre so perhaps he is the genious Mr Grammer Police. You resort to insults when confronted by someone elses opinion and to be honest you all do sound like the same person. Blah blah blah. I'd never waste any money on your company or products after seeing how you conduct yourselves.

Hi folks. I`m from Sweden so excuse me for incorrect gram :)

"Posted Wed Oct15, 2008, 12:07 PM - By William Setterlund/STEREOPHILE

I visited the Luxman/Vivid/Synergistic room several times during the show. I was amazed by the huge 3D soundstage there. Other rooms at the show sounded flat by comparison. During one of my visits Ted Denny of Synergistic Research demonstrated the effectiveness of his products by removing the Acoustic ART System from the room. I was shocked! The soundstage became flatter, less coherent, and unstable. I bought the Acoustic ART System then and there. Next he unplugged the PowerCell and the Active Shielding from the cables. At that point the entire system collapsed. This was not a subtle demonstration. In fact, without the Acoustic ART System in place and the PowerCell and Active Shielding turned on the system sounded mediocre at best. I've been an avid audiophile for over twenty years. During that time I've attended many a show but never have I witnessed such an impressive demonstration. Kudos to you Ted Denny for a job well done. I'll be looking into buying more of your gear."

Here I am in Texas, crown is apparently in Sweden, and I assume that TLA and Asian are from elsewhere. Apparently, the Southern California-based Synergistic Research company has moles all over the world, huh Bob?

The one thing that we all have in common is that we have all actually heard the ART system. But, according to you, that makes us all "idiots that claim to have bought or heard this system". Yet those who have not heard the ART are, by definition, "those with audio or scientific understanding".

Thus, it seems that the true threat of the ART is that it instantaneously turns people with audio or scientific understanding into idiots. Worse yet, the insidious penetration of Synergistic Research agents all over the world should be a concern to all the good and "un-ARTed" citizens of the planet Earth. It is fortunate indeed that the public-at-large has folks like you to warn them against this organized conspiracy to promote such a dangerous threat to mental health under the deceitful guise of being just a simple device to make audio systems sound better.

BTW - If one were to compare the similarities of style and substance of the postings of yourself, fiji555. and JohnnyR, he/she would quickly discern that it is you 'three' who are indeed the same person! In other words, 'He who smelt it dealt it!'

ZzzzzzZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZzzzzzzzzzz boring. So me and Fiji555 and whathisname are all the same person? hahahahaha funny stuff dude. But I can bet as soon as I post this someone will reply because the paranoids at ART will be watching this thread like a hawk lmao have fun getting your panties in a wad guys. :) BTW Stereophile will say anything good to get advertisers.

http://dagogo.com/SynergisticART.html

OMG hello Asian. Nice to see you BACK again. Funny how you show up JUST to plug this crap some more by posting a link to a "reviewer" so it looks more "honest". After reading his review and his other reviews, I can honestly say he's just another nut job that thinks he hears differences from products that can't possibly effect the sound of an audio component. How much money do you get Asian for working for ART? lmao you guys never give up do you?

Hahahahaha I just had to quote a few lines of the review by Norm Luttbeg........There is a question about other room treatments. I was told at the RMAF that they are largely irrelevant to the Acoustic ART effect. I did not find that to be the case, and I have removed my Shakti Holographs, most of my Shun Mooks Mpingo disks, Brilliant Pebbles and one of my Acoustic Revive QR-8 dots..........*sigh* as you can see he really likes all the traditional snake oil products and is very gullible as to what works........what no Tice Clock or putting his photograph inside his freezer? (YES folks that used to be a popular "tweak" a few years back by the audio loonies. Priceless!

http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2009/the_art_of_tuning/

It seems even Stereophile's John Atkinson can hear the effect of the Synergistic Research Acoustic ART System. Along with a growing number of people who have actually heard and enjoy the system (I now own a set myself) the only hand outs seem to be those too angry to actually give the ART system a listen. Hey the world was flat and Galileo was a charlatan once upon a time.

Hand outs? You must mean "hold outs". Anyways yes I am a hold out but angry? Well maybe only at these snake oil salesmen for their endless attempts to try to make this crap seem "scientific" and Stereophile? Lmao like I said before Stereophile will say ANYTHING for an advertiser. I hear you can buy some stainless steel salad bowls at WalMart and set those up and hear a big difference in your audio system too and the BEST thing is they are really made in China so you KNOW it's got to be the real deal! So the world was really flat once upon a time hmmm? Please stop comparing Galileo to this guy ok? He's no genius just a sham artist.

JohnnyR : for sure, no genius....:)

Gosh Crown you amaze me with your pure brilliance! Have you tried the NEW and improved WalMart brand of acoustic improvement I mentioned above? After installing it I was blown away by the sonic improvement and had a sonic orgasm.So seriously RUSH to WalMart and buy it! Oh wait, that's right, you spent all your money on the crappy stuff you liked and have none left to buy CDs with now hahaha too bad. Bought any Tice Clocks lately or frozen your photo in the freezer? I hear that wearing garlic around your neck keeps the vampire audio baddies away too. :)

Here you go JohnnyR... The A.R.T system is based on Helmholtz Resonance. See if you can wrap your scientific mind around this? Yes, I know its easier to claim you know everything than admit that there might be science involved. I can't wait to hear you tell us how you know more than the Oxford University Physics Department and the other universities referenced in the article.

I will agree on one thing. The A.R.T system is at a price point that I personally find obscene.

Cheers!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_resonator

I am very well aware of what a helmholtz resonance is thank you very much.It's the same principle that ported speaker boxes use to reinforce the low frequencies to help extend the low frequency response.Perhaps Oxford or better yet MIT should measure this scam artist's goods and see just what exactly it is doing hmmmmm? What I don't see here is this CRAP having any benefit to an already well thought out speaker system. For their product to help the bass frequencies as claimed, then that little sized bowl isn't going to be able to resonate anywhere near the bass frequency spectrum.If their little bells and do dads resonate then why should it be for the better? I always find it funny that all audio "tweaks" NEVER seem to make things worse according to all the people selling this junk nor the magazines that "review" them and at the same time have big advertisements in the same magazine.If this is how it works then I should be able to place several empty beer bottles around the room and accomplish the same thing. Claiming a product works by resonance and that it makes the sound better is one thing but they NEVER show any real measurements to back up their claims now do they, just a reviewer gushing about the sonic benefits. Let's face it, this guy is counting on the mysterious imagery of Tibetian Monks and the far east to make gullible audiophiles spend their money. Lets see some frequency and phase response measurements of before and after ok? I bet THAT never sees the light of day and reason :)

See, you did not wrap your mind around it. You are too busy calling this "CRAP" to think through what is likely going on here.

I'm sure you would agree that a rug, a ficus plant and a glass picture frame can all influence the acoustics of a room. The rug would dampen energy, the glass picture frame would reflect energy, and the ficus plant with all its random glossy leaves would diffuse energy. The good thing here is you can use these items to alter your room acoustics for a lot less than $2995.

Most of the A.R.T devices are coupled to the wall at points in the room with the greatest acoustical energy is present. That is either directly between the front speakers (vibratron), on the rear walls (gravatron), or at the first order reflection points (magnatron). The A.R.T resonators are powered by sympathetic resonance which would cause the resonators to resonate just slightly after the musical energy from the speakers.

So here is my take. Do the A.R.T devices fix room acoustics? Personally, I doubt that they technically "fix the room acoustics".

But... do the A.R.T devices impact room acoustics? Without a doubt! if you take five items that are all specifically designed to be highly resonant and place them in the points of maximum acoustical energy they will indeed resonate to the point of audibility.

So, what I suspect they are doing is resonating in the key acoustical points (front, left/right, rear) with a slight delay to the musical energy. In other words, the A.R.T devices are mechanically adding a little bit of warmth and delay that would increase the perceived ambiance in the room. A sort of mechanical ambiance circuit.

So when people tell you that they hear a difference when the A.R.T devices are removed from a demo room, this is not placebo effect, they are probably telling the you the truth. The question here is does different mean better? Or, is different, just different? That is probably a case of beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

If someone likes the effect created by the A.R.T devices and they have $2995 that they want to spend, that's fine by me. Personally, I would find a better use for my $2995.

Cheers!

Why are you trying to defend this CRAP? YES I know about first reflection points and all the rest that's why I said I could just use empty beer bottles in place of the lil do dads they want to sell. If your point was to make yourself seem important by giving me a lecture in physics and acoustics then big whoop pat yourself on the back lmao. Frequency resonances and room modes will vary greatly from room to room.Personally, I'd want absorption at the first reflection points along the wall NOT something that will ring and boom. The product they are trying to sell is CRAP and no different than those that sell any audio tweak that really doesn't help the sound. Yes it MIGHT resonate and add "something" to the sound but who wants added noise? I'd want to just hear the music not someone else idea of what the music should sound like. Yes I agree that it's way over priced at $2995. I bet they "slash" it to $1495 real soon and claim it's a bargain lol. I bet they have at most maybe $10 in a whole complete set and it's made in China.Did you look at the picture of the guy in the Sterophile website grinning like a complete scam artist? lol He looks like a used car salesman trying to sell a real junker to a poor unsuspectng soul.

I'm not defending the A.R.T in the sense that it is some magical "must have" room treatment. I surely wold not buy it for my system at least not at that price or even half the price. I am merely pointing out that A.R.T. is likely are doing something audible and that there is physics behind what they are doing. This is not a case of "the king and the invisible clothing", it is more like the king with some altered clothing. In fact, I pointed out that just because they are audible, does not mean that they are better.

What I think is often lost is that Audio is a hobby! In this hobby some people derive a great deal of enjoyment from purchasing equipment and some get enjoyment from tweaks, while still others actually listen to music. I don't think that most of the people that buy this stuff are poor unsuspecting souls, they are hobbyists looking for a new toy.

In my opinion it's not right to deride someone that choses to spend money that they earned on something like this, just because its not a purchase that you or I would choose to make for ourselves. There is far too much of that going on in this hobby and when the day is done, this is just a hobby. If someone is rich enough to afford this, then good for them! Really, why should you care what someone else does with THEIR money??? It is their money and their business. If someone does not like or believe that a product adds value, fine go ahead and say so, but it's not right to deride someone who feels otherwise.

For example, automotive hobbyists often spend a great sum of money on chrome engine parts, even though the chrome parts do not increase horsepower, fuel mileage, or add any tangible value other than form over function. Yet, the automotive hobbyist is allowed to enjoy their chrome embellishments and yellow plug wires with little or no worry of being ridiculed and publicly called a fool. The same is true for the manufacturer of the chrome parts being sold. The chrome parts are nice to look at, just like the A.R.T, but they add little in tangible value to an automobile, yet the chrome parts manufacturers are not called Charlatans!

The same is true for wrist watches, a $29.00 Timex keeps just as good as time as a $15,000 Rolex. Some people just appreciate the Rolex bling, while for others, its a status thing, and for others an investment. Yet for the most part, there are not people running around watch forms bashing Rolex owners.

What I am standing up for is the right for people to enjoy this hobby the way that they choose without being ridiculed and called names. For some people it's about getting the most bang for the buck, for others, its about the bling, and for others it is about the music. It's a hobby!

"Personally, I'd want absorption at the first reflection points along the wall NOT something that will ring and boom." I mostly agree, for a bright room, absorption at the first reflection points, but for a room that is average, diffusion at the first reflection points may sound better.

Ugh, that's what's wrong with the world now. People spending tons of money on useless things just to stoke their egos. Yes, people like that should be ridiculed for wasting money on useless junk no matter if it's audio or car related or Rolex related or anything else for that matter."Just a hobby"? More like a sick obsession. They never listen to the music anymore just components. How about putting that extra money to work by actually helping others less fortunate? I swear these idiots spend thousands a year on audio "tweaks". They must be missing something really big in their souls to keep spending and spending and spending.I hope companies that make junk products like this go out of business and that people wise up and stop being foolish but I don't see that happening just by reading some of the audio forums. It seems to me that people put their faith almost a religious experience into wanting to believe that a certain audio product DOES work and reason goes out the window. That's just sad. Well maybe the coming economic recession will make people see what's really important and what they can do without.Oh and one last thing, the Acoustic Art Sysytem is CRAP :)

How many of you have actually heard a room tuned with the Synergistic Research Acoustic ART System? Please allow me to digress. I am a lifelong audiophile with a very high end system. I have Wilson Audio Max 3 speakers, Transparent Audio cables, Macintosh electronics, and a very well treated listening room with over $10,000 worth of Real Traps and ASC Tube Traps. While visiting CES I visited the Synergistic Research room where I not only heard the Acoustic ART System, but I also had a very enjoyable conversation with Ted the designer. A passionate audiophile he is, a used car salesperson he is not. After listening to his demo I was sufficiently convinced to try the system when I returned home. I followed the set up instructions and while the benefits were nice, they were nowhere near as impressive as what I heard at the show. A phone call to Ted at Synergistic Research had me removing 90% of my RealTraps and Tube Traps. Now I was getting the magic I heard at the CES demo. Perhaps 3k is a lot of money for someone to spend on room treatments, but considering that I had over 10k invested in traditional room treatments, I found the expense more then reasonable especially since my system has never sounded more natural or so musical. The fact is I have spent more then 10k on electronics that delivered significantly less performance and musical enjoyment then the ART System. Example: before buying the Max 3's I had Watt Puppy 8's. Don't get me wrong, the Max 3's were head and shoulders better then my old Watt Puppy 8's, but they were better in the sense of delivering a better version of the same kind of musical performance I am accustomed to hearing from a two channel audio system. With the ART system in place, I feel for the first time like I am listening to real living and breathing performers in my listening room except for one thing. I no longer feel like I am in a "listening room", with the lights out, I am transported to Carnegie Hall or an intimate smokey Jazz club away from my stressful life even if just for a few hours a night. This is my experience with the Acoustic ART System. Don't allow angry little people who have never heard the ART dissuade you for trying this most exceptional room treatment system.

JM5 has never posted anything on this forum until now. What a coincidence huh? One post for all the things this website has to offer.Just another fake person from the shill company trying to do damage control. Hahahahahah. Awwwwwwwww poor you and your stressful life. What's the matter too busy working your life away trying to get more and more money while ignoring the wife and kids?I bet you've never even been to Carnegie Hall or probably not even a real live performance. Just another audio snob with too much money on his hands to throw away on voodoo products. So $3k is reasonable to spend huh? Sad........just plain sad.

JohnnyR

Your making a lot lot of assumptions here. For example, how do you know that audiophiles or the audio companies don't donate large sums of money to charity? How do you know how much time someone else spends with their family or if they even have children? How do you know that their spouse and children don't enjoy music too? (Maybe its a family hobby.) You really don't have any way to know that, nor should you. Shouldn't those things be let to the individual to decide?

You ask:
"How about putting that extra money to work by actually helping others less fortunate?"

I hope people do decide to donate to worthy causes, but is it possible that they may already be doing just that both directly and indirectly. Rolex donates their profits to charity!
Rolex Institute So perhaps ridicule is not in order if for Rolex owners once you know all the profits go to charity.

JohnnyR Stated:

"JM5 has never posted anything on this forum until now. What a coincidence huh?"

Why do you keep making Troll like comments that try to make it out that first posters are company implants? Thats so paranoid, it's just plain silly. Not to mention, its not very nice to someone who was kind enough to to take the time to write about their experience with the product in question.

For the record, I think that most people want to hear comments like those by JM5, because JM5 has actually heard the A.R.T. and therefore has real world experience with the product. Its JM5s real world experience VS others assumptions based on conjecture.

Lets compare actual experience to someone who has never actually heard the A.R.T, yet takes it upon themselves to passes judgement anyway. Is that not like putting salt on your food before you taste it???

If someone took the time to listen to the A.R.T, then decided it was of no value, that would add more value to this thread than someone who just suspects something is a scam. You may be right, or your may be wrong, but the only way to empirically prove your point would be to actually take the time to go listen to the A.R.T for yourself.

Johnny R,
Lets see. You have "14" posts to Audio Junkies and 13 of them are all to this thread, the other is a post making fun of Noel Lee at Monster Cable. And you accuse ME of being a shill?

You seem like a deeply disturbed person and I hope you get the help you so obviously need.

JM5 Stated:

"How many of you have actually heard a room tuned with the Synergistic Research Acoustic ART System?"

Personally, I have not heard the A.R.T., but by looking at it, I can see how it could indeed make an audible and positive change to a room based on sympathetic resonance energizing the A.R.T resonators.

My suspicion is that the resonators probably don't fix every acoustic problem in a room. If you think about it, since no two rooms are alike that would be a difficult task indeed. I suspect that the A.R.T resonators probably add warmth and a sense of ambiance making the room sound more spacious and inviting. So, the A.R.T may very well be worthwhile. Then again, I have not actually heard them, so your opinion is more valuable than mine in this case.

That's my beef; people are too quick to condemn something that they have not heard. Some tweaks do work, no doubt about it! Unfortunately, many Tweaks are quite expensive and I can also see why people would be skeptical on this one. The A.R.T is rather unorthodox in both looks and design. Some people just see a company that is selling blocks of wood, magnets, and bowls for $3K. And $3K is a lot of money for the raw materials involved. Its hard to wrap your mind around this one and they don't consider that there may have been a lot of time invested in development. I doubt that there would be as much protest if the A.R.T were $500.

It would be very interesting to see frequency response measurements in a room before and after the system is installed. Hopefully a future review by someone will cover that and settle this once and for all.

ref3,
I am not certain if measurements would solve this once and for all. The Bass Station should be measurable, but I am not certain things like sound staging and air can be measured any more then two different speakers which measure ruler flat can be shown to sound alike when in practice they do not.

Unlike a lot of audiophiles I have invested in extensive room treatments over the years but this is by far the best system I have found. It did not totally replace my traditional room treatments, but it did displace 90% of them and 100% of the huge and ugly bass tubes.

We've got a second system in our living room with zero room acoustics (I am only king of one room in our castle). My partner has given me the green light to set up a set in the listening room where we do the majority of listening and living. It should be interesting to see if they can work their magic in less then an ideal setting.

JM5,

I would be interested in hearing how the living room setup works out for you.

I too have two systems, my first system slowly morphed into a home theater and the queen commandeered that system for full time use dedicated to Television viewing. So, the king had start from scratch and built a second two channel system or give up listening to music. My system is very nice, but not as nice as yours. I'm running Gallo Acoustics Reference 3.1 speakers mounted on 2" thick hard maple blocks. I'm really happy with the Gallos, they do a good job with Jazz.

I'm planning on building a dedicated listening room in my basement, nothing fancy just a man cave. I'm going to try to address the acoustics as much as possible during the room build. Even so, I will not be able to dedicate $10K to room treatments.

I would like to get a chance to hear the A.R.T. but it will probably have to be at a dealer or audio show. My queen is an accountant by trade, and A.R.T. would be a very hard sell. : )

Is there one piece of the A.R.T system that stands head and shoulders above the rest? I noticed they sell the components separately.

What's the matter Ref3 you own a Rolex and I hit a bit too close to home? lol oh yes I'm sure Rolex donates ALL profits to charity. Give me a break. No it's not silly to think that first time posters here are company shills considering that if you Google ART it's very close to the top in the results. I'm sure they keep a close eye on this forum. You said to JM5...It would be very interesting to see frequency response measurements in a room before and after the system is installed. Hopefully a future review by someone will cover that and settle this once and for all....(well frankly you will NEVER be seeing that because that would mean hard evidence. I'd be very wary of auditioning this product unless you get a 100% money back promise if you are not satisfied.)

JM% thanks for the suggestion that I get the help I need. I'd suggest you also get some help for your audio neurosis and compulsion buying. You stated to ReF3........I am not certain if measurements would solve this once and for all. The Bass Station should be measurable, but I am not certain things like sound staging and air can be measured any more then two different speakers which measure ruler flat can be shown to sound alike when in practice they do not....(Yes you should be able to measure any acoustic response considering it has to be frequency and phase related that is unless we are dealing with voodoo)

Unlike a lot of audiophiles I have invested in extensive room treatments over the years but this is by far the best system I have found. It did not totally replace my traditional room treatments, but it did displace 90% of them and 100% of the huge and ugly bass tubes........(ohhhhh well THAT explains why your bass response went yup. You removed the tube traps so now you have reverted to how the room originally sounded with standing waves and room nodes. Funny how you think the ART system didn't perform like you thought it should like at the trade show you saw them at UNTILL you removed the tube traps.I guess lots of wishful thinking also went into how they sounded.Obviously you haven't tried the same room now without the ART system and without the tube traps just to double check no doubt. I bet the bass response will be the same :)

So why do I keep responding to this thread? To let others know how silly this concept is and to make them aware that just because someone who "bought" the ART system gives it a glowing revue doesn't mean they actually did buy it. I mean we have to take their word that they did, no proof really.Like most high cost audio tweaks, the main reason for the perceived sound improvement is wishful thinking, the amount of money spent, a religious fervor that what they spent their money on is REAL plus they don't want to think that maybe just maybe they got took by some sham artist. Do any of you also think that audio tweaks like Brilliant Pebbles or Risers to elevate the speaker wire off the carpet are the real deal and worth the money? I'm sure you can find plenty of "testimonials" online saying that they do but come on......deep down you know it's all BS.

Here everyone......check out these websites, plenty of goodies to waste your money on......go ahead I don't mind. It's not my money. :)
Gee I wonder if any of these work to improve your sound?

http://www.machinadynamica.com/

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm

http://www.puremusicgroup.com/cart/i...d&productId=93

http://www.6moons.com/archivelibrary/archives.html

http://www.stereophile.com/miscellan...84/index3.html

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/index.html
http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html
http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/...m/quantum.html
http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/redxpen/rxp.html
http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/qrfqc/qrfqc.html

You removed the tube traps so now you have reverted to how the room originally sounded with standing waves and room nodes. Funny how you think the ART system didn't perform like you thought it should like at the trade show you saw them at UNTILL you removed the tube traps.I guess lots of wishful thinking also went into how they sounded.Obviously you haven't tried the same room now without the ART system and without the tube traps just to double check no doubt. I bet the bass response will be the same :)

Once again you are on par for the course, you are again, incorrect. When I remove the resonator from the Bass Station (with or without my bass traps in the room) low frequencies become ill defined and the sound stage closes in around the speakers while moving closer to my listening position.

Also wrong again. When I remove the little gold and silver magnets from atop the Vibratron high frequencies become more etched and "hi-fi" sounding while the mid-range sounds less liquid and musical. When I remove the Vibratron, Satellites and Bass Station resonators from the room completely (the entire ART System), thus returning to a true untreated listening room (save a few panels I have kept on the walls), the soundfield localizes in and around my speakers and the systems wonderful layering disappears. High frequencies become closed in and hard sounding, and the bass is ill defined and flabby.

In case you missed it, John Atkinson the Editor and Cheif of Stereophile magazine, as well as Jason Victor Serinus a Senior Editor at Stereophile, have both gone on record as to the dramatic effect the Synergistic ART System has on the sound of an audio system. Also Norm Lutbeg at Dagogo has written a review. You are an island of ONE.

As to your assertion that the ART System is made in "China", wrong again. Each piece clearly states "Made in USA".

Clearly you have a dizzying intellect. Perhaps you need to snuggle up with your bong, crank your Ozzy tapes, and contemplate the vast conspiracy that prevents you from having all the things in life you KNOW you are entitled to. If only it weren't for the evil capitalists (like myself) that keep you down.

Ahhhhhhhhh JM5 still banging away at defending this CRAP are you? How many of the other "tweaks" I posted above do you have also? Come on......fess up. :)
Bass frequencies become ill defined and the sound stage closes in? Wow you mean all those MONO bass notes become stereo with that lil bing bong thingie? lmao All the rest of your descriptions are typical of an audio nut.....liquid...etched...layering........you should write for Sterophile with those qualifications :) Yes I saw about the Stereophile articles mentioned and big deal. Stereophile has the reputation of raving about anything as long as thye get the advertising dollars. Didn't you read the link I posted about the Tice Clock? They let Tice respond to someone's criticism in an absurd rambling letter and didn't even try to tell the readers that it's all BS pseudo-science.and Norm Lutbeg? hahahahah yes I certantly saw that one too.........he had ALL the wacko tweaks set up in his room......Brilliant Pebbles lmao that's just way too funny, perhaps him and you should try some Coco Pebbles instead at least you would get a meal out of it . and what's with the last paranoid dellusions you have of me ranting about realy wanting "all the things in life you KNOW you are entitled to"? LAMO oh you are one funny guy alrite. Sounds more like YOU trying to defend your foolish spending of money trying to sooth the inner child that yearns for love when all you do is stuff more CRAP into your house as a poor substitute. How am I doing at coming close to the reason you are spending that money on silly objects? lol wow Jm5, you sure are going out of your way to defend this CRAP aren't you? Got any frequency and phase measurements to PROVE that this CRAP works? Thought not. So move along and take your silly little toys with you and please try not to burst a blood vessel reading this. Life is way too short to worry about your mistakes :)

Hey JM5 and as for your comment about me being an island of ONE perhaps you should read this :)

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?t=209253

Now that's a REAL tech forum not some voodoo hoodoo forum you are used to.

http://dagogo.com/SynergisticART-Roberts.html

This is interesting

The above is brought to you by the same site that has the Lutbeg review. No big surprise there folks. Just more baloney. :)

JohnnyR

First, it would be really helpful if when you quote someone in a post, you put the other poster's quote inside quotation marks. Unless of course, you like posting utterly incoherent paragraphs.

"What's the matter Ref3 you own a Rolex and I hit a bit too close to home?"

Nope. No Rolex watches here. However, if I did have one, what exactly did you say that would "hit close to home"? I'm totally missing your point. Was there a point? And for the record, Rolex does donate all their profit to charity the owner Hans Wilsdorf put the company in a trust for the purpose of donating to charity when he died. I guess Hans must have figured he did not need the money anymore since he would be dead. You could have read that if you took the time. But then again, I suppose its easier for you to deny anything and everything that you don't agree with.

JohnnyR stated:

"So why do I keep responding to this thread? To let others know how silly this concept is and to make them aware that just because someone who "bought" the ART system gives it a glowing revue doesn't mean they actually did buy it. I mean we have to take their word that they did, no proof really."

OK JohnnyR, you fully admit you have not heard the A.R.T right? Therefore knowing that JohnnyR has in fact not heard the A.R.T, we all should just take Johnny's word on the subject as the final authority. Why we ask? Not because there is any empirical proof one-way or the other. But because JohnnyR said so!

This is going nowhere.

JohhnyR Stated:
"Gee I wonder if any of these work to improve your sound?"
"http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm"

OK, so the page you posted shows the following major recording studios and professional recording engineers endorse Shakti Stones:

Abbey Road Studio
Pink Floyd's Astoria Studio
Steve Hoffman Mastering
Moment Records
Stan Ricker Mastering
Doug Sax's Mastering Lab
Paul Stubblebine Mastering
Ram Ghoshal (Moment Records)
Steve Hoffman (DCC)
Stan Ricker (Stan Ricker Mastering)
Doug Sax (The Mastering Lab)
Paul Stubblebine (Stubblebine Mastering)
Phil Taylor (Pink Floyd's Astoria Studio)
James Guthrie (Pink Floyd Recordings)
Gary Garfield (Musical Fidelity)
A. Taguchi (JVC Music)
Paul Baily (Abbey Road Studio)

Showing forum readers a slew of professional endorsements would seem to weaken your case not strengthen it. Did you even read this page?

Hi people I'm Bacccccccccck. Just looking at the responses to JohnnyR you would think it's war zone in here. I wonder which person in here responding is the inventor of the ART system? I would think he would have the balls to make an appearance and not hide his name? I guess not.

Ref3 you make too much a fuss to not be affiliated with the company. Why keep posting if as you said "Personally, I have not heard the A.R.T" then you jump all over JohnnyR for not having heard the same system. Pot calling the kettle black? He posted quite a few links where others have stated that this has to be a stupid concept and or product. All you do is defend something you haven't even heard.He's showing more common sense than anyone else has so far. You're willing to give these a listen even after you admit that it's way over priced. Make up your mind already and we couldn't really care less about Rolex watches, why bring that up?

Shakti Stones? Look at all the studios that are using them. Probably for something heavy and inert to sit their components on not for any other benefit. They probably got them given to them for free just so the company can claim it's an endorsement look at this post for a description of what they do

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/49655-6-shakti-stones-test-data

and here is a parttial post of the article but please go read the rest for yourself. Common sense works wonders when you actually apply it.

Archived from groups: rec.audio.high-end (More info?)


Have any of the EE types here looked at the results of a test
of the Shakti Stone's ability to attenuate EMI, posted
on the company's website?

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/emitests.htm

Googling doesn't seem to show any discussion of same in
the audio newsgroups. Since I can't make heads or tails
of the graphs as presented (to answer even
simple stuff like, how big is the measured effect?),
I'm curious to hear the opinions of those who can.

These results, btw, are being used to bolster the claim that
Shakti Stones might work, over on audioasylum, in the Randi threads.
(The reply)The elephant they're trying to hide in plain view is this: So a big
slab of apparently solid material placed directly on the radiating
antenna attenuates the signal. This is supposed to be a surprising and
significant result why, exactly? It is not exactly an unknown
phenomenon that solid matter blocks radio frequency EM radiation better
than air. Where are the comparisons to other materials and especially
other shapes? I'd like to see a comparison to, say, a simple Faraday
cage made of ordinary sheet steel or aluminum. (More on that below.)

A quick & easy attenuation demonstration you can perform with no
expensive equipment: Take a cellphone with an external antenna,
preferably the extendable type. With the antenna extended, note how
many bars the signal strength meter is at. Now, without changing the
position or orientation of the phone (either of which can change signal
strength all by itself -- you only want to test one variable), close the
fingers of one hand around the antenna so that it is surrounded on all
sides. In most cases you'll lose at least one bar on the signal
strength meter, if not more. (Be sure to give it some time to settle
for both readings; I just did this with my phone and the meter has a
multi-second lag time.)

For a cruder demonstration, just walk inside a cave.


I mentioned Faraday cages above. These are nothing more than conductive
enclosures around an EMI source which cover it on all sides. A Faraday
cage must have no openings larger than the minimum wavelength the cage
is expected to contain. Holes smaller than that do not significantly
affect how much radiation escapes.

Faraday cages are by far the most common method for reducing EMI in
consumer electronics, since you get one for free if you build your
product's enclosure out of metal. For a great example of how much you
can puncture a Faraday cage without reducing its effectiveness, take a
look at Apple's PowerMac G5.


This brings me to the next elephant Shakti doesn't want you to notice.
The major issue in designing an enclosure to contain EMI (or prevent its
entry) is simply avoidance of holes or slits larger than the critical
length. Problems typically arise wherever the enclosure is punctured
for connectors, user controls, and so forth, because many of these items
are large enough to form exit/entry paths.

The theme you should be getting here is that EMI problems require fully
enclosing a device and paying attention to all possible paths in and
out. But the Shakti Stone is just a slab or bar which cannot possibly
fully enclose anything! For all I know it may do an excellent job
blocking what heads in its direction, but it does absolutely nothing for
any other path.

It's like saying that if you put a 3x3 inch square of cardboard next to
a naked 100 watt bulb, you've successfully blacked out that light.
Well, no, you haven't. You've blocked some paths for light to leave the
bulb, but plenty of light will radiate out all the other angles that are
still open. Even objects in the cardboard's shadow will typically
receive some light that originated at the bulb, due to diffuse
reflections off other surfaces and so forth.

And that analogy isn't actually an analogy! Light and RF EMI are both
examples of electromagnetic radiation. The principles are the same in
both cases; the main difference is that visible light is at much higher
frequencies (shorter wavelengths) than RF EMI.


Please feel free to repost this on audioasylum if you like.

--
Tim

fiji5555

"Ref3 you make too much a fuss to not be affiliated with the company. "

Really? I cannot recall ever stating I was or was not affiliated with the company. Perhaps you might like to read the posts again? I summarize what I essentially said:

1. I have never heard the ART.
2. I could see how they could be audible since they are designed to resonate.
3. Just because they are audible, that did not mean that they would "fix" the sound. I also expressed doubt that they could "fix" the acoustics since no two rooms are alike.
4. I stated that my theory is that they resonate in the midrange possibly giving the those who like them the impression of warmth and ambiance. Warmth and ambiance are generally desirable qualities.
5. I said essentially that in my opinion they are too expensive for me to consider purchasing for my own system. Hardly something a company rep would state if they were trying to sell a product!
6. Let's make it official, I work in IT and I am in now way affiliated with any high-end audio company.

So what is the "fuss". Well, it is somewhat obnoxious and childish to dismiss every person who claims to either own or have heard the A.R.T as being a company "shill" on the basis they cannot validate their identity. As long as were leaping to conclusions just for fun, who is to say that anyone who is anti-A.R.T works for a competing company? Why not take this "logic" a step further. Who is to say that fiji555 is not JohnnyR with another sign on? I hope you get my point.

"All you do is defend something you haven't even heard."

Nope, wrong. If you had read the posts, then you would see that I never defended the companies statements. My own personal "theory" is that the product can make an audible resonance. That's not defending the product, thats stating that something that resonates is audible. My comments were open minded. I am willing to leave final judgement open until I had a chance to hear the product for myself. This is something that some posters in this forum are sadly unwilling to do. I do recall defending the right for people to spend their money as they see fit, to enjoy this hobby as they see fit.

"Shakti Stones? Look at all the studios that are using them. Probably for something heavy and inert to sit their components on not for any other benefit. They probably got them given to them for free ....."

Thanks for the long exposition on the Shakti stones! You apparently totally missed my point. JohnnyR was trying to imply that the products were a waste of money, yet he made the rather unfortunate choice to post an endorsement page full of professional endorsements for the product. That is hardly the best a way to paint something in a negative light. But just so you are clear, I don't own, nor do I plan to buy a Shakti for my system. That's not to say that I would ridicule someone who wanted one for whatever reason, nor would I condemn them without hearing them.

You know I don't really care myself if people want to throw away their money on snake oil products. I think it's funny and just plain sad that they would spend so much on a "hobby" for so little in return. What I mean is they already have a great sounding sound system but keep tweeking and tweeking it by adding rubbish add ons that do nothing.If that's all they have to look forward to in their lives then that says something about what they feel is important hmmm? Sure you can defend their right to spend their money as they see fit but please note also that they aren't protected from ridicule for doing so.I and others also have the right to say what we think about those decisions. I find it foolish and a sign of weak intellect.
Ok Ref3 go listen to the ART system and report on it then. I'd wager that if you listen to it at the dealership that you can't be sure they aren't playing some trickery like switching a speaker out of phase or adjusting the frequency response so it appears that the ART system is responsible for the apparent change in tonality. The only way to truly test it is to take it home and try it out on your system but like I said, I doubt they will be willing to let you bring it back if not satisfied. Oh and be sure to post some frequency and phase response measurements too because otherwise it will only be another "he said she said" situation with no proof offered.
As far as the Shakai Stones link that JohnnyR posted , I see nothing wrong with it. So the "professionals" at the studio have them? Big deal. You think that by just being a recording engineer that they are immune to snake oil comapany's BS and that they are superior in their intellect? I bet some of them have done some really stupid things just have all of us. So JohnnyR posted ONE link that appears to support the Shaki Stones as being relevant out of all the others you ignore to comment on and that proves something? Yes it proves that most if not all pricey tweeks are rubbish. I prefer to keep my belief system rooted in my religion NOT my audio system doo dads.
Ref3, if you are willing to go listen to anything that people claim then you are going to be one busy guy for the rest of your life. Hey, I just might have a "special" box of tweeked crayons that are supposed to make my speakers sound like a live performer right in my living room............see what I mean? You have to be able to draw a line somewhere by clear and logical thinking. Just by giving these sham artists a listen, you are giving them credibility.

oh and BTW who's to say that Ref3 is isn't the same person with another sign on also.........paranoid much?

Hi Ref3, glad you think me and Fiji are the same person. We are twin sons of different mothers Bwahahahahaha! Let me know when you test those ART CRAP pieces okie dokie? Oh that's right you won't. oops my bad.

ref3,
I did a little experiment last night to see if any one of the ART pieces were exceptional without the entire system in place. I found that the Bass Station all by its self did a good job of tightening up the low frequiences. When I added a satellite in place of the expensive Vibragron along with the Bass Station I got a much more layered sound field, better air and decay and tighter bass still.

This seems to the be the best combo for a less then total treatment.

I must say that this whole concept is just silly but reading how some of the supporters in here defend it is giving me some good laughs! It seems science and common sense weren't taught in the schools when some people went there. Don't some of you think that they sell this stuff just to make money off gullible people? I think I'll start selling zip cord as exotic cable and bump up the price to about $200 per foot.

Welcome to the Twilight Zone Frank :) Hope you enjoy the bizarre escapades of JM5 and others! Yeah it's funny alright. I think JM5 has stopped talking to me awwwwwwwwwwwww. I guess reason just doesn't appeal to him but then again maybe he will be interested in buying some of your exotic cable, heck you could give him a discount and drop the price to $175 per foot.

Anyone who is really serious about wanting to make their room sound better should read this link
http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html
I am stating from the beginning that I am NOT affiliated with NOR do I work for NOR do I even know Ethan Winer or the company Real Traps. I'm not saying for anyone to purchase any products that they sell. All I am saying is that just by reading that link and applying what they say, you can build your own room treatments and save a TON of money doing so. :) Now isn't that what a REAL audio hobby should be like, using something you can build yourself that actually works? :)

Fiji5555 said:

"oh and BTW who's to say that Ref3 is isn't the same person with another sign on also.........paranoid much?"

Moments later... JohnnyR said: " Hi Ref3, glad you think me and Fiji are the same person. We are twin sons of different mothers Bwahahahahaha! Let me know when you test those ART CRAP pieces okie dokie? Oh that's right you won't. oops my bad.

Ref3 Said:

As long as were leaping to conclusions just for fun, who is to say that anyone who is anti-A.R.T works for a competing company? Why not take this "logic" a step further. Who is to say that fiji555 is not JohnnyR with another sign on? I hope you get my point.

I see that you did NOT get my point I suspected that you would not, that is why I even highlighted it. with "just for fun" and "I hope you get my point. " Sadly it seems you did not.

You folks were trying to dismiss anyone who states they like the ART or that disagrees with you as company sales persons or shills.

I was applying your tactic of dismissing someone to your own IDs to make the point how silly that logic is. I find it very ironic that you are OK with dismissing others as salespersons or shills but when the tactic is applied to your IDs you get defensive. Kind of ironic don't you think?

JM5 Said:

ref3,
I did a little experiment last night to see if any one of the ART pieces were exceptional without the entire system in place. I found that the Bass Station all by its self did a good job of tightening up the low frequiences. When I added a satellite in place of the expensive Vibragron along with the Bass Station I got a much more layered sound field, better air and decay and tighter bass still.

This seems to the be the best combo for a less then total treatment.

JM5, thanks for checking that is interesting. I hope to get a chance to make empirical and objective judgements about the A.R.T. by hearing them in a room for myself before making any conclusions. I don't know of any dealers in my area, but maybe someone will have them at AKFEST09 and then I maybe I will get my chance to hear them. I do find it interesting that the Bass Station makes that much of a difference. I do have to admit that the one piece of the A.R.T. that I am the most skeptical about is the Bass Station.

Your wit is astounding Ref3. Please feel free to ignore all logical posts by me and Fiji5555 in the future and PLEASE do buy the ART system instead of building your own room treatments. I'm sure they will love you for it. Oh yes I am so defensive that I had a cow and I had to go see a shrink for help afterward lmao.

Heh heh JohnnyR stop driving away the customers lol.
A bit about the AK Fest: Started in 2004, the AKFest was a meeting of Audiokarma.org members and a few exhibitors. Hmm well I don't think the ART system will be in attendance there simply because I looked at the website and Audiokarma seems to be a resonable bunch of people from what little I saw. There's hope for the human race yet :)

Prior to the ART System I had over 10k worth of Real Traps and Tube Traps in my listening room; my room looked ugly and sounded nowhere near as holographic as it does now.

YMMV.

Well JM5 you removed the best type of room treatment and now have standing waves in abundance and reflections all over the place. No wonder it sounds more "holographic". You went from one extreme to the opposite! Perhaps you over did the Tube Traps and Real Traps and should have used less? 10k worth sounds like overkill to me.

Anyone else want to buy my WalMart Stainless steel salad bowl room treatment? lol Due to the recession I am now offering the complete set at "only" $300. hahahaha

I have this much debated system, albeit my own version, and I have something to say to you all. I would normally not get involved in a discussion of this type as most of your minds seem to be made up. This is actually a first for me, and I have no agenda other than to relate my experience, which a couple of you seem desirous of. We live in a self-willed world where people are free to invent whatever truth suits their personality. If we only knew how much more we are than personality, i.e., ego. The Truth is the Truth, period. ALL of this audio stuff resides in the realm of opinion. Do you realize that there are a whole host of audio lovers out there that swear by gear that is over 30 years old? What about the old timer who likes to hear his favorite oldies over his table-top radio or eight-track car stereo, and nothing else will fit the bill the way he wants to here those songs?
Sparked by a failed woofer, I have been tweaking and modifying my system without abate for the past two years. Changing power cords, interconnects, and speaker cables to a high purity mono-crystal copper was a no brainer--had to be done. Also I rewired my speakers with the same copper--even took it a step further and wired my speaker cables directly to the crossovers. The change is not even comparable to the previous. It's a different sound all together, and I happen to like it, although I can see why someone may like the previous sound better. But who listens to the system most? I do. In addition, all of my components sit on a basic set-up of bearing and race. Shop wisely and the cost of this stuff is manageable. DIY has the best deals and personal reward, especially if one can verify that the result is honestly better than some of the more arrogant retailers' product options.
For whatever reason though, out of all that I have done, I am more attracted to this current topic of dealing with resonance than anything else. Resonance is like a fact of life, but what do we do about it? Well, we can do all kinds of things about it. Musical instruments are a product of this pondering. To sing in a music hall or to sing in the forest (a forest with no echo)? The conclusion that suits me is to minimize resonance that has the most effect on image focus and then try to affect what remains with a more pleasing tone, thus the extensive use of wood in damping my components. The ART system, in a word, gives more ambience. There is also a strange effect that some high frequencies seem to be mimicked by the satellites. In other words, it's as if a tweeter was placed in the wall, and there is still image focus remarkably. The ART system, for me, was the next logical step in striving toward an unattainable goal, and I don't regret it. It's obvious what offends some of the characters who post here, so I'll avoid getting overly dramatic. Here's what I did. I bought a Vibratron and six Gravitron satellites. I ruled out the Bass Station for now because I modified the bass response on my speakers with shorter ports. I don't need more bass. I placed the satellites in the recommended way with the additional ones suspended from magnets imbedded at the 1st order reflection points of the ceiling and the other one used to improve a less than ideal placement of another satellite. I have been spending time listening and taking them away just to be able to write a bit more concisely here, although the effect was immediately apparent to me and worth keeping. To anyone who expects a miracle, save your money. To those who realize that it never ends, and that we don't want it to end until we are at the ideal, singing in the halls of Heaven, give them a listen. Who said you can't return this stuff by the way? I am happy with or without the ART system. I've been happy with my stereo from the beginning, most happy when completely ignorant and unconcerned, I can't help but notice. It's all relative, and when you're a hermit like me, duality and all the nonsense that goes along with it draws back to a single focus--the point of which is a love of music and the sound of my own voice singing to it. Lighten your load you guys. Stick to what suits YOU and forget about changing anybody's mind. The world has always been full of snake oil. Look deeper into that cliche. Some people like to be deceived, and you won't change that. It's their root. The mysteries of the universe are yours when you just let go of needing to add to it, which is my only point in writing all of this. There is no need. What we do here is either for pain or pleasure. Your choice. The really good stuff has yet to be invented. Hasn't it occurred to anyone yet that it's all crap here on planet earth? Now let's have some insults hurled at me for fun, shall we ?!!!! Here's bait. I bought my Acoustic Art system at . You won't get to me though because I have found at least a modicum of common ground that I resonate to in virtually every one of these posts. I could probably have a peaceable conversation with any one of you. Trust me, you will know the snakes when they come out and try to anoint you with their oil. Till then, peace. There's already a war going on-equally as frivolous as this discussion which distracts us from our true love-music.

Sorry if any of this sounds condescending. It's what you all have created by the manner in which you speak to each other.
un/believer/I/we/ONE

Sorry for the extra post, but somehow the link I intended to highlight didn't show up. Maybe I'm just too stupid for this computer stuff. Maybe the computer is just too stupid in not being able to read my mind. Anyhow I bought my Acoustic Art system and allot of other stuff at www.tweakgeek.com. Couple that with so and so's list above, and I think you'll have some fodder for deciding what is and what is not snake oil. Mike is the man there, and I like him. I sometimes even get a deal which I guess you could interpret as a pay off. Again though, the Truth is the Truth, period. I'm writing of my own initiative I assure you, with the intention to return his courtesy and hard work. Don't my words have the ring of truth? Or do some of you just enjoy playing Accuser? How I love our cliches. They always fit in so perfectly. The best tweak ever is an altered state. Have a beer and cheers to you all!

melancholy,

Wow, and I get accused of smoking stuff and rambling on lol

you said:
"Sparked by a failed woofer, I have been tweaking and modifying my system without abate for the past two years. Changing power cords, interconnects, and speaker cables to a high purity mono-crystal copper was a no brainer--had to be done. Also I rewired my speakers with the same copper--even took it a step further and wired my speaker cables directly to the crossovers. The change is not even comparable to the previous. It's a different sound all together, and I happen to like it, although I can see why someone may like the previous sound better. But who listens to the system most? I do."

THAT about explains the rest of your post too...power cords......cables....interconnects.....gosh you mean you didn't point your woofers towards Sirius the dog star? Sorry man but I can see why you think the ART sysstem does something......it's called belief and you really WANT it to work so in your mind it does. You will always be able to find someone willing to sell you more and more tweeks to "help you out". Funny how it always seems to involve a good chunk of money to get those "tweeks" hmmm?
Oh and if I can save someone their hard earned money by informing them of all the snake oil BS then I think that's a much more noble cause than just ignoring the obvious BS salesmen.

you also said:
"Stick to what suits YOU and forget about changing anybody's mind. The world has always been full of snake oil. Look deeper into that cliche. Some people like to be deceived, and you won't change that. It's their root."

How very true that is......at least you admit to being taken in. :)

last you said:
"The best tweak ever is an altered state. Have a beer and cheers to you all!"

If that's the case then why not just have 2 beers and forget all the BS tweeks? :) Have a good life man and don't spend too much money on those "improvements"

Fiji555 / Johnny R / Ethan Winer
You two (3?) are clearly one. You are also clearly shills for Ethan Weiner the biggest "WIENER", and certainly the biggest WHINER in the business.

Anyone who is really serious about wanting to make their room sound better should read this link
http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html
I am stating from the beginning that I am NOT affiliated with NOR do I work for NOR do I even know Ethan Winer or the company Real Traps.

As someone who first invested heavily into your Real Traps room treatments, and now the Acoustic ART System, I find your repeated attacks offensive Ethan. You attack these amazing products and all who relate their findings all over the web including Stereophile's and AudioCircle's forums. As others have done in response to your protests, I too will quote William Shakespeare. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Hamlet Act 3, scene 2, 222-230

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! OMG JM5 you have TOTALLY lost it! I don't know either Fiji or Ethan. Apparantly you can't come up with any good defense or reasons for using the ART crap so you resort to accusations instead of answering my questions.So be it :) and as to why you keep posting on here over and over and over well that's just proves what a nut job you really are. I'm sure Etan Weiner would agree if in fact he ever reads this post. He probably has much better things to do like making products that work. IF you had taken the time to read the above posts carefully, you would have seen where Fiji said nothing about buying mr Weiner's products but instead said that anyone could BUILD their own using the web pages posted. "So I suggest getting your head out of your ass and learn something" JohnnyR Act 1 Scene 1 BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

First of all it's Winer, JohnnyR not Weiner lol and like JohnnyR says I also don't know either Johnny or Ethan Winer.
It's a shame that people like JM5 has such an attitude towards Mr Winer since he did buy what $10k worth of room treatments from his company. What's the matter JM5, didn't your golden ears clue you in that you had too many room treatments spending that much money? Well I suppose you do like the "Fad of the Month" tweek and will soon tire of the ART system and buy something else even more ludicrous.
Yes, if you had read carefully, you would have seen that I never said for anyone to rush off and buy anything from Real Traps. All I said was for people to read some real science for a change instead of the voodoo snake oil of the ART system. There's plenty of good info on Mr Winer's site for anyone with the ability to build their own room treatments. Hey if you want to throw away $3000 on the ART stuff then by all means feel free to do so.
I find it amusing that you kept talking to Ethan as if he was on here reading your remarks. You sure continue to give me and others plenty to chuckle about. Please do send us more witty insights into the big conspiracy going on here.
Oh and has anyone else noticed how SLOW Ted is on getting his website set up and updated? I guess he's run out of cliche's and or buyers.

The only question valid on this thread is, how many of us like the ART system and how many of us do not? You may as well flip a coin as to whether there's any truth to it.

Did I not say, 5555, that I was happiest when ignorant and unconcerned of tweaks or technology, implying that I miss those times when I was more focused on music than the components? Is it not obvious that the whole of audio is completely subjective? Our understanding of the "science" from which ALL this "crap" arises is very rudimentary and also very changeable-not the TRUTH. Study the progress made in quantum physics over the past twenty years. I believe the good stuff has yet to be invented because we don't yet completely understand our so-called reality. The first principle in what I would point out with quantum physics is that intention is everything. Your real tool in life is intention firmly grounded in intuition & imagination along with a mind that knows how to follow of its own free will. Faith then springs forth very naturally into knowing, and you find yourself connected with your own life again, which can be better than any movie, I might add. For me, material life has become a striving for balance between the hard and the soft, science and belief, matter and spirit.
Fiji, you seem to presuppose our stupidity, as if we just cannot comprehend that belief plays a role in our choices. It does, and it's a welcome friend in life. Yours would be a world without light or color if I could take you to the end of the line on virtually all your arguments. And you know that's not true of you is it? If you will consider what I'm saying, this arguing should indeed have an end. Do you think that you are an exception and able to separate yourself from the symbiotic relationship between fact and belief? They are inextricably entwined creating the very fabric of our existence. And you wouldn't want it any other way. Or would you? Again, there are allot of people who prefer gear that's over 30 years old. These folks may be fully aware of the latest/ greatest and even have the money to spend if they choose. But they have noticed that their gear sounds more pleasant and natural. In today's audio field, some seem to get off on just solving whatever is preconceived as a problem. Yet the final result somehow loses the emotional impact of the music that it was intended to improve. But there is so much going on these days, good and bad. The ART stuff, I think, is a precursor to a new focus of development, i.e. resonance in all its various manifestations and how to deal with it favorably. I don't mind buying what currently adds to my enjoyment, but may later be crap in comparison to what is offered. The price IS outrageous, but that's a result of economy, not the fault of Ted Denney. Your tactics can so easily be turned back upon you. I've put myself at the zero point-the middle-where my opinion may live free on its own. The more I know, the more frustrated I become with what I have and what is even available. The less I know the more I feel confined to my own experience, as if a new world awaits but I can't get to it. Who's to say that we should have ever digressed beyond using our own voices and things immediately found in nature to create music? Who are we to think that we could embellish upon the true science which is whatever mechanism explains the natural universe as well as whatever lies within it and beyond it?
For now we pacify ourselves with toys like suckling children. We create things that we have no true connection with. Didn't you take the tactic in this thread that we should all be ashamed of ourselves for spending so much money on this crap and that we might think of helping someone out? Honestly, is this true for you? Have you ever really tried to help someone? That doesn't work any better than all this audio crap. People will take you over every time just like whatever salesman selling whatever product. Hand out sandwiches in the street. "Don't you have anything else?" Hand out a warm stocking hat to a transient. "Is that made with natural fibers?" Give someone money that says they need food. They buy a bottle of cheap wine. Try and be a real friend to your friends and you find they prefer you to be their mascot. Let go and quit trying. That's religion, and some of you would have made very fine and proper agents for the inquisition. Do what's in front of your face to do, minding thy own business until it's obvious that you should do something for another, and the world will go on into the next generation. I know I'm preaching, rambling, and even contradicting my own words in effort to sway you, but this thread is now delving into stupidity. It all ends up like this these days. It's as if we choose a topic we are most comfortable with in order to get at the real topic of our interest-how to get through this life. I REPEAT, THE ONLY QUESTION VALID ON THIS THREAD IS, HOW MANY OF US LIKE THE ART SYSTEM AND HOW MANY DO NOT? And God grant that I come up with the wackiest tweak, the Tweak of All Tweaks, that stupefies us all in its simplicity and effectiveness, and sends us back to the elementary to relearn whatever we lost sight of, without which this life has become so utterly boring. I'll post it here, free, just for you Fiji. I mean that.
Choice and exercise of fee will is not deception. At least I admit to being taken in? Doesn't make any sense. Change of power cords has no real effect? Let that one resonate amongst all those partaking of this squabble. There's no hope for a snake that puts his own tail in his mouth (back atcha with your own implied insult to me-scathing--but it may suit you more). Align my woofers to Sirius the dog Star? Your using words like muscle and calling it intellect to cover your intention. I'd rather by punched. It's more straightforward than your arguments. Ironically it's you who insists on aligning your woofer/ mouth to Sirius the dog star. I'm rambling and must be on something? My sentence in Caps highlights the intention which brought me here. The previous list of posts explain why I wrote all of this. Two beers was a good suggestion though. Thanks! Reason and Faith, will they ever at last agree? We'll see........Sssssshhh, but I think the point is that they were never meant to be separate.

Un/believer/I/We/ONE/Nothing at all to you all/ and my last post unless requested or if I find my ultimate Tweak for Fiji's sake

Holy Crap Melancholy, please take your meds or at least go find some lol

Belief is for things as religion NOT audio. Lets not bring quantum physics into this as some snake oil salesmen try to use such terms for their bogus gear when in fact they don't even come close to using such a thing but simply like to throw that term around so they sound more "smart"

you said:
"The ART stuff, I think, is a precursor to a new focus of development, i.e. resonance in all its various manifestations and how to deal with it favorably. I don't mind buying what currently adds to my enjoyment, but may later be crap in comparison to what is offered. The price IS outrageous, but that's a result of economy, not the fault of Ted Denney"

Oh really? $3000 for a set of bells and things that prob cost him $50 to make? Wow the economy sure did increase that in a hurry.PLEASE lets not be ignorant here.He set the price from the beginning simply to make as much money as possible from gullible people like you and JM5, STOP defending his product and pricing.

you said:
"Didn't you take the tactic in this thread that we should all be ashamed of ourselves for spending so much money on this crap and that we might think of helping someone out? Honestly, is this true for you? Have you ever really tried to help someone? That doesn't work any better than all this audio crap. People will take you over every time just like whatever salesman selling whatever product. Hand out sandwiches in the street. "Don't you have anything else?" Hand out a warm stocking hat to a transient. "Is that made with natural fibers?" Give someone money that says they need food. They buy a bottle of cheap wine. Try and be a real friend to your friends and you find they prefer you to be their mascot. Let go and quit trying. That's religion, and some of you would have made very fine and proper agents for the inquisition. Do what's in front of your face to do, minding thy own business until it's obvious that you should do something for another, and the world will go on into the next generation. I know I'm preaching, rambling, and even contradicting my own words in effort to sway you, but this thread is now delving into stupidity."

wow........just wow. YES I have helped people before and still continue to do do. You sound like a troubled person that has no friends or purpose in life so you keep spending buying "things" in hope that will fill your empty soul. Yes, it sure has delved into stupidity but that's of your own doing

you said:
"I REPEAT, THE ONLY QUESTION VALID ON THIS THREAD IS, HOW MANY OF US LIKE THE ART SYSTEM AND HOW MANY DO NOT?"

Errrmmmmmm no, actually the only question is why do people delude themselves into spending money on this garbage?
The rest of your rambling reply was beyond my comprehension but then I wasn't toking on a doobie lol
YES power cords do NOTHING to improve the sound of a component! You think that a 5 foot piece of wire will compensate for the 50 plus miles of power cable that comes before the wall outlet? LMAO

Thank goodness I have an education and a firm clasp of science and physics and common sense. Hey like I told JM5, if you want to throw your money away on this stuff then please do so.

Did I miss anything?........*Looks around*........ohhhhh, same S*** different day I see.:) Hahahaha!

You called? I didn't want to continue in this, but I said I would come back if requested. Interesting though, I didn't think it would be Johnny and Fiji calling to me--Empty Soul and Full Of BS. So let's get truly crazy and continue to spiral down away from the intended topic of this thread. I use "crazy" only as another relative term-me crazy beside Fiji and Johnny who are, of course, the example to us all of what it is to be sane& smart! No wonder WWIII is inevitable. Fiji seems strangely certain that I have an empty soul. Agreed, almost, but not completely sure because I'm still alive. I look at it this way, and I'll remind you of my own words-"nothing at all to you all." Johnny logs on yesterday, "looks around", and blurts out, "same BS, different day", yet nothing was written yesterday except what he wrote. A subconscious indictment of his own mumbo jumbo? But you didn't mean it quite like that did you Johnny? And you don't like being talked to like this do you, Johnny? Quite irritating, huh Johnny? But It's better than TV, and my meaningless life affords me plenty of time. You would like to be able to express your own intention, wouldn't you, rather than have someone do what I just did. The whole "you said" way of communicating is an effective way to win an argument but not an effective way to communicate. It's amazing, Fiji/ nemesis what you focus on in my writing and choose to attack. I already guessed what was coming from you two, and so prepared myself. My discussions, if you would just try to comprehend them, travel within a closed circle. I affirm and negate almost everything I say, which really is the nature of all that which resides in the sphere of opinion. All of audio is subjective. Though state of the art, does everyone like KRELL? You two, in effect, provide a trampoline for me to bounce up and down on. It's good fun and not hard. Here, I'll use one of you as an example. What motivated you, dear Johnny, to write that? Soooooooooooo arrogant. I don't think that your name is Ethan or Johnny. I've come to the conclusion that you're the guy everyone knows. I can only hint so as not to offend. His initials are A.H. (get it! Good!) Both you and Fiji share a remarkable style in writing and the difference is so seemingly artificial. But I have no choice but to believe you when you say that you are not the same person. Same company that may loose its niche because of ART? Who knows?! AND WHO CARES?!!!! We all know now what you two think, how you think, and we know that this is obviously your territory. Live In a prison of the mind/ science if you wish. I just can't get over your statements, and I am really pondering them for some reason because if they were true………..Well, if they were true, I could just somehow find a cheaper way to deceive myself and get the same effects of all these "BS tweaks". But alas, I actually hear a profound difference between my DIY power cord and the stock one the component came with. Always open to a fair fight boys, but bullies just need to be taken down….for the sake of……what shall I say……science? Fact is I don't TRULY give a S@#$ about ART, my stereo, my life or anything at all but my empty soul.

and yours too

woooooooooooo nice one Mr Melancholy.......A.H. is that Arnold Hartsford? Glad you like your pricey power cord, sure makes for a complete fulfilling life doesn't it? I guess Fiji hit a nerve or sumthin. Gosh and golly what's this world coming to? Awwwwwwww now me and Fiji are bullies lol see you on the playground kid and be sure to hand over your lunch money or else. Seriously dude please get some HELP ok? I don't know half the time what you are talking about. I guess Ted loves your testimonials though. Well I gotta get to bed , you tuckered me out reading through your reply. Oh my poor brain.

Melancholy, any time you post online you open yourself up for responses. If you are so thin skinned then take my advice and don't. Other than this I have nothing more to say to you since you seem inclined to be so defensive about matters I no longer care to talk about. Sorry if you got your feelings hurt but hey,you decided to keep blathering on and on about this. Try to find some peace and happiness in your life. :)

All in good humor, gentlemen, and good faith. It takes us all. Both of your last posts, though still somewhat insulting, give me a better sense of what you're about, and I think all of us were somewhat entertaining ourselves at the expense of the other. This is the end of the line for me as well on this thread, and the internet for awhile too I think. We don't use it enough to justify the ever rising costs. That will probably warrant another insult or two, but oh well. There is so much misunderstanding of intent on here, why do you think I chose melancholy? Words just don't express what I'm trying to say. Could have also called myself Verbose for bothering to try. To whoever was willing to wade through all the above posts to get to this, there are a couple of loose ends to tie up before I can let go. I've had the ART system up now for over a week. Still happy with it, and won't be sending it back. At one point I had 9 satellites and two Vibratrons to play around with. No questions on why that happened please. The effect was way too much! Not good. It was like listening in a cave in case anyone was wondering if there is a limit to the benefit of what these devices do. The added ambience/ sense of space that even three satellites provide is worth considering for those who are unwilling or unable to buy the whole system. I almost decided to take that course myself, but the Vibratron's effect quickly grew on me. Placing satellites at the 1st order reflection points on the ceiling may not be for everyone, so don't think that you're missing out necessarily. I like the added sense of height though. With or without, I like the sound of my system. With or without, my soul is still empty. HAHAHA! For the sake of peace on earth, I think the overlap between the two extremes in this discussion can be summed up as spend your money on tweaks of this sort if you have the money and don't worry about anything but the music if you don't. Always, BUYER BEWARE! Diminishing returns is very real with these and solely up to the one shelling out the money to decide if it's worth it. Out of all that I've done to my system, this stuff was admittedly a really close call because of the cost. I remind everyone that every single antagonist on this thread has not, and by their own account, will not try these out. Now control yourselves Fiji and Johnny cause I'm truly logging off, and well, because we're not really enemies as far as I know.

Adios Melancholy,

I find it sad that you still think this ART garbage does anything to improve the sound but then again you also believe your diy power cord also makes your sound better so that just goes to show how deluded you are. It isn't an insult as much as it's just the facts
No, I won't be listening to the ART system because I have much better things to do besides wasting time on this stuff which is pure snakeoil.
Too bad you feel the internet is no longer any use to you.You should use it to find REAL tweeks that work and educate yourself. Say hello to Ted for me, I'm sure he will soon have many more "tweeks" that will only set you back a few thousand more :)

First the mockers……always that way…….I wonder why? "Out damn'd spot" to quote Shakespeare as the others have. Getting at the truth is a process of weeding out lies. Here we go again.

There you are, standing at the door, barring the way to what would have otherwise been a peaceful departure. I thought we weren't talking anymore? By all means have the last word but not like that. My friend, you began this on high ground but by your own freewill, you hurled yourself into the sea. Now I notice you trying to regain the place from which you fell, but at my expense. You talk about science, yet you apparently don't understand how that word has been defined. Science is systemized exploration, trial and experiment. Much of what we have was built from ideas that were born from intuition, then trial and experiment, with understanding and explanations coming after. I remind you, sir, that your OPINION is already known, and I comprehend you. Why do you keep repeating yourself? It only causes me to repeat myself in a different way. I REMIND YOU, SIR, YOU HAVE YET TO TRY THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU CONDEMN AT A GLANCE, AND THAT VIOLATES THE MOST BASIC DEFINITION OF SCIENCE. Why do I even have to explain this? Sound coming from a stereo is a complex mechanical operation. Changing something/ anything in the mechanics of its operation will alter the sound. Changing something/ anything in the pathway that the sound travels post stereo will alter the sound. That you may or may not be able to hear it is purely subjective. What you have chosen to attack is definitely audible, and you're missing out by your own choice. You want measurements. What shall I measure? And how would I do that? And if the result does not explain what I am hearing, what do I measure next? Everything can be measured, but do we yet, can we yet, measure everything? Of course not.
I think what's going on here is vendetta. In my mind and heart that is the only explanation of such vitriol and blind hypocrisy. Keep it at least cordial next time will yah? Call it what you will, but I may choose to keep this going as long as you keep using words like blather, delusional, crazy, etc., just like a salesman arguing against another company. If you have something to teach, share some websites on topics that you affirm as truth. I am always willing to learn, but this banter just needs to stop. It fundamentally doesn't make any sense to argue your hypothetical statements vs. my belief that I'm hearing an improvement. I have looked at the Ethan Winer website, and I can get a sense of how you like your information delivered. Admittedly, the ART system explanation looks like foolishness compared to that, but the proof for me is in what I hear with my own ears. I've been at peace all along with my beliefs. You sound just plain angry, not sad at all, and for no apparent reason, like our delusional kings and emperors of old.

What we have opened ourselves up to regarding future posts from other members was our own doing, agreed? I don't know who's going to get heckled more…..and I don't really care. Maybe I'll learn something. Please choose your words more carefully to avoid dealing with me again. It's not hard. Just be a gentleman.

Here's my 2 cents Melancholy, you are basicly delusional and to be quite frank, a nut job.Why should Fiji or me try something just because YOU say it's so marvelous? People are always saying something is great online but then that's just more BS coming from people who "want" to hear something.Just let it go and admit you CAN'T leave without having the last word about the subject. Hey you spent LOADS of money on this crap so sure you want it to sound good. Honestly, you need help.

Requested again! I'll try and adhere solely to the topic you've brought up-my pride?- to avoid unnecessary provocation. Hey Johnny, maybe you're right about having to have the last word. I stated rather childishly that you guys would not get to me. That was before I knew what was in store from you two. I admit that I'm rattled but not so much in a personal way. I've been trying to figure out how you give yourselves permission to speak to people in the manner you do as well as to find out if I could persuade you to stop. Delusional of me indeed. Do you do this publicly in addition to the internet spectacles? Neither of you guys regard anything of substance that I've written back to you-just more attacks. I've confronted you with fundamental questions that turn your repeated statements into rubble, and you return with insults every time. But, objectively, I can see that there is just no meeting of the minds. We think too differently to try and continue to communicate with type. Face to face may also be impossible, I suspect, as you seem to be convinced that the difference between us could only be explained by madness on my part. I leave the future of this discussion in someone else's hands (your hands currently). In addition, I could not help but think to myself in consolation, what goes around comes around, which led to remembered times in my life when I shut people off in a similar manner and all the trouble that caused. Thanks for the inadvertent life lesson. I needed to see this. It may have caused me more serious trouble if I continued unaware in life of how different we can be. Pretty sure my intention was pure though…….I even went to the website that you mentioned somewhere above. I'm not sure what your point is with that offering as it's just more of the same in a limerick kind of snobbery toward those not like-minded. Last words? I DO NEED HELP. WHAT SAY YOU ALL……..the end?

Wow here we go again lol

Melancholy you said:
"I've confronted you with fundamental questions that turn your repeated statements into rubble,"

No actually all you've done is ramble on endlessly and make no sense at all. If this was a discussion about religion then MAYBE it would have fit in but it's about audio and science and basic facts. Please leave the pseudo-science out of it.

You said:
"I even went to the website that you mentioned somewhere above. I'm not sure what your point is with that offering as it's just more of the same in a limerick kind of snobbery toward those not like-minded"

Hahaha sorry you can't grasp what reality is then. Snobbery? I'd think more along the line of being realistic and not being gullible.

Anyways Melancholy, you'll always buy whatever you want regardless of if it works or not. Too bad you can't spend some time and effort educating yourself to what is real and what's not. Try taking a course at the local college on electrical and electronics sometime.

The BAAS (Bay Area Audio Society) is hosting a meeting this Friday March 13th featuring live demos of the Acoustic ART System. Perhaps Fiji and Johnny can attend and try and convince every one in attendance that we are not hearing the benifits in real time instead of shilling after the fact.

I have a complete ART system in my listening room and hear much the same results with and without the ART system as others have posted so it will be interesting if Ted Denney of Synergistic can perform a mass hyponisis. Hopefully Johnny and Fiji can protect us. What do you say guys- are you in?

*Yawn* I do hope they don't let Ted set up the whole system but instead have individuals that everyone trusts do it instead. Otherwise there is the possibility of "shenanigans" if you know what I mean. Please do take frequency and phase measurements also. Without that it means nothing. I'll be interested in reading about the setup and who's house it's in and how the test was done. Sorry but I live on the east coast and can't attend, otherwise I would be there just to see what kind of "magic" Ted is going to attempt. My guess he is going to attempt mass hypnosis plus attempt to make your billfolds much lighter hahahahah.

Hmmmmm I just Googled the Bay Area Audio Society and read the piece about More Crys Of Snake Oil.........too bad Mr Walters didn't think the scientific articles were of much help.
He said:

"I will also hasten to add that I agree with very little of what is said in these pieces "

Doesn't sound like a rational guy to me

I liked the ILIKEJAM website with the ridiculous tweek items out there. I do hope no one in your society OWNS any of those :)

I had wondered out loud if either Johnny or Fiji would attend and "shill in real time" but they did one better- "shilling prior to" and only 8 minutes after my post! I'll say one thing for sure- they certainly keep close tabs on this thread, and the last word.

Lets be realistic Aslan........oh wait you stopped doing that a long time ago didn't you? You expect me to hop a plane and fly to California just to give Ted a chance to show how real his garbage is? You're a joke. I bet you are really Ted aren't you? Yes I do keep a close eye on this thread because otherwise idiots like you would keep shilling people over and over. What's the matter?.........you didn't answer ONE question I brought up above about how the test is being done or who's house and the set up. THAT alone tells me it's going to be a ruse. Oh well I didn't expect anything less. How about sending the ART system to a REAL reviewer like Peter Aczel at The Audio Critic. He will give it a fair test with measurements no less......but wait .......no I'm sure you will come up with some lame excuse for not wanting him to even look at it. Oh I know what that excuse is........he would reveal it for the SHAM it really is.......hahahahah.

melancholy,
Pay no attention to fiji5555 and JohnnyR. They attacked me as well (obviously), accoused me of only posting to this thread which is ironic since they both created their accounts to post to this thread, were nasty, abusive, and behaved like spoiled adolesent boys.

As others have concluded they are most likely the same person who post all over the web regarding the ART system with the same award winning writing style and a complete refusal to try the ART system- just insults to any and all who share their experience. All under the guise of "helping the common man".

When I first posted I had only heard the ART system at the Rocky Mountain Fest. Since then I have added a few pieces to my system(Gravatron Satellite and Bass Station) The effect is increased image focus, and significantly tighter bass. Don't let these A Holes get you down. They (he) obviously have an agenda.

BTW if you are in the Bay Area check out the BAAS web site and see if you can make it to the ART demonstration this Friday- if you can, I'll see you there.

Hey Asian, you seem like a right Ahole yourself Bwahahahahah. Paranoid much? What a jerk. PLEASE do continue to give Ted all your money, I'm sure he is laughing at all of you suckers behind your backs.

"As others have concluded they are most likely the same person who post all over the web regarding the ART system with the same award winning writing style and a complete refusal to try the ART system- just insults to any and all who share their experience. All under the guise of "helping the common man"."

Gosh Asian, it must be a conspiracy of ONE on the internets wanting to defame the ART CRap System huh? LMAO what a joke you are. PLEASE, there are plenty of other people who don't fall for this BS. Take your pills and calm down.
I see you STILL haven't answered Fiji's questions about the testing method but then I wouldn't expect anything less from you since you have plenty to hide.........TED.

Excuse me you arrogant fcuk but how the hell am I supposed to know the way the demonstration will be conducted?!!!

I heard the ART System at RMAF, investigated them, tried them from my local dealer, and later fell in love with what they do for my enjoyment of music- who the HELL are you to treat me like this? Or anyone else? Why don't you go and troll over on the Stereophile boards and treat John Atkinson, Jason Victor Serionus, and the countless other posters who, like me, have shared their ART experiences?

WTF is your PROBLEM? RICHARD.

Bwaaahahahahaha! What's the matter Asian did I hit a nerve? :] My my such language from you.Tsk tsk what would your mother think? :0 That's right you have NO IDEA how the test is going to be done but my guess is Ted with BE IN CHARGE so there's no hope of an honest test."Countless other posters" huh? Hahahaha the sheep don't stray too far from their beloved leader now do they? Oh I forgot to mention it's ALL about the money over at Stereophile. Have fun at the ART "demo" and be sure to kiss Ted's ass while you are "swooning" at every word he says xD

This has been an interesting thread. At first I thought "you've got be kidding me" this can't possibly work. But when I read the repeated attacks against everyone who posts something positive about the ART System I thought I'd give it a try so I called the cable company a call. Guess what, this works EXACTLY as everyone says it does, perhaps even more so.

Highly recommended. Prior to the ART System could not think about accoustics in my listening room. Now I am hearing what my expensive system can really do. I don't care how or why it works, it just does and that's good enough for me.

*Snicker* yeah right "John" well I'm convinced now lmao......let's see you JUST read about this stuff like the last couple of days and went and bought it and have it in your living room already......wow you were eager to spend $3000 in a flash huh? lol Yeah right........try pulling my other leg next time, it has bells on it. .....so mine and Fiji's "attacks" convinced you go listen to it?.....I call BS......say hello to Ted for me when you go into work tomorrow :]

No I did not just happen upon this thread, I've been following it for a while now. I first read about the ART System when I got an email news letter from The Cable Company back in November. Same as the OP who started this thread in the first place.

I find it absurd that you attack everyone who posts here and interesting that you are so concerned with this product. That's what got me thinking you're most likely a shill and this piqued my interest enough to see what all the fuss is about. In a way I am indebted to you and your inane posts- Thanks!

John,

I'm sure Ted thanks you for giving him $3000 for his $50 product. Please spend more money on his "wonderful" products.Hahaha
A shill? I find it funny that I FIRST accused others of being such as that and THEN they try to turn it around and make it look like I work for another company. Sad, sad, sad that people are so ignorant and inspired to spend so much money on a gimmick. Try some REAL schooling and education before getting into audio next time.

I've given the ART system a listen and wasn't impressed to be honest. I don't see how they can justify the cost nor the claims. Just my 2 cents.

Here is an interesting thread NOT populated by industry shills.

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=65703.0

Oh my even more laughable John. You sent us to the biggest SHILL of all Mr Ted D the owner of the garbage ART system and I don't quite understand your continued use of the word SHILL in this thread since you obviously are one yourself.
The Audio Circle is certainly VERY well known online for being filled with Audio's BEST known kooks and delusional people. I go there often just to read the funny posts and to have a good laugh.

The "famous" Ted said:
"Regarding their price, they are very difficult to fabricate with the correct "tone" to perform to spec. When we started production we had "only" a 50% rejection rate on resonators that measured to spec (no we will not post the secrets of what we measure for). Since then that number has swelled to nearly 90%- this means that 9 out of 10 resonators forged must then be destroyed because they do not measure up and this has led to a back order status. On top of this each resonator must be heat treated, by hand, and the person who does this is yours truly. The heat treating process is very time consuming and of the resonators that I heat treat, not all exhibit the proper tone so we have more waste. After the heat treating process violin lacquer is applied in a climate controlled clean room and this is not cheap. All in all the manufacturer of the ART System is a very labor intensive process done 100% in the United States- not Asia, also expensive. The final treatment- Quantum Tunneling with a large purpose built, solid-state Tesla Coil is also time consuming and the expense that went into the development of that technology was significant."

Quantum Tunneling .........lmao yeah right Ted lets throw some bizzare sayings that mean absolutly NOTHING into the conversation......what's the old saying?....."If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, confuse them with bull shit"
Your production methods sure aren't very productive are they? Sounds like you really don't KNOW how to make your own product but then again we have no idea if you really trash "bad" components or not......sure does make you sound like you have good quality control though lol
I notice that not everyone in that thread was amazed by the product nor even wanted to buy it.......good for them!

John, dude. That was like major funny shit. Thanks for the laughs :) Oh I think I understand what Quantum Tunneling is now.You buy a tesla coil and shoot 2 million volts through your products no matter what you are building and it makes them all uber super duper fantasical hahahahaha. I bet they don't even bother turning that thing on unless they are giving tours and interviews.

Waiting on Aslan's orgasmic review of the Bay Area Audio Society's listening of the ART Garbage System. I'm sure they got their panties in wad over meeting the "amazing" Ted. hahaha

He he I like this thread because it shows how silly people can be buying silly products.

WARNING to all potential buyers of the ART CRAP System.........your dignity and well being of mind will be destroyed if purchased. Please educate yourselves before listening to modern day shysters and snake oil salesmen. They are trained to push your buttons to get you to buy buy buy! Maybe CNBC has a hand in getting people to buy buy buy! Like Mr Cramer LMAO! Bwahahahahahah!

Wow 5 days since any new ART shills posted. Maybe they decided they can't win against science and logic? Bwahahahahaha Suck it up Ted and company.

Oh my gosh......I found the thread over at Audio Circle where Aslan posted about the ART Grabage Sysytem last year. He said he had over $10K worth of traditional room treatments in that thread. Sound like someone else on THIS thread? yep...JM5 said just the same thing up above. Hahahah BUSTED Aslan and JM5. More proff that Ted and Company are BS artists along with their shills.

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=61258.0

Read the whole thing. you'll notice that NOTHING ever came about promises of home demos and reports......sound familiar?

Anyone still interested in the ART ssytem should also check these products out lmao

http://www.nathanmarciniak.com/elemental/

Ok so I waded through all 39 pages of the Stereophile thread and Ted promised actual measurements at the CES show........well where are they? I won't hold my breath. xD

Hahahah look at this posting folks http://baasnotes.com/blog/2009/03/18/event-synergistic-art-system-power-conditioner-and-cables/

They had 30 audiophiles at the listening as described by Aslan up above who "agreed" that the ART CRAp Sysytem worked......thank you so much guys for the "detailed" report lmao. Listen if you want to be taken seriously then post some freaking measurements and detail how the test was done ok? Oh and thanks by the way for mentioning us here at this thread so more people can truly see how useless your products really are! :)

Well you have to understand Fiji that these people who belong to Baasnuts. Oh excuse me Baasnotes :p hear differences in cables and powercords also so no wonder they heard "something" with the ART CRAP. THey could have handed out magic popsicle sticks and they would have bought those also Bwahahahahaha!

Johnny the fact you can't or won't hear differences between cables and power cords speaks volumes.

Yes it does Sound Hound, it means he has good common sense unlike you :) Think about it. You expect a 5 foot long power cord to make up for the miles and miles of wire that brought the electricity to your house? LAUGHABLE. I don't suppose you ever did any double blind listening tests on cables either now did you? Thought not. Too scared you might not be able to tell your expensive cables form Radio Shack ones :)

Common sence? No. blind dogma yes.

Bwahahaha! So which shill are you Sound Hound? I bet you OWN some "high end" audio store and came on here to "defend" your products lol. Yes common sense which isn't too common among audiophiles it seems. Too bad you never took the time to learn about science and physics and what is possible what is snake oil. You didn't answer Richard's questions but then I never expect people like you to do so. Just more "amazing" quotes form the "informed" hahahaha. I always got a good laugh from Audio Circle forums where the sticky is.."This is a non double blind discussion forum".....*sigh* you see, they don't WANT to know the truth because it would cut into the dealers profits who sell the snake oil crap. If they weren't afraid of actually taking such a test then they wouldn't have that posted there. THAT'S pretty sad when science takes a back seat to "golden ears"

JohnnyR you seem the simpleton who lives in a small black and white world of absolutes.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/philippe_starck_thinks_deep_on_design.html

Sound Hound that's an interesting video link and there's nothing wrong with new designs and products BUT it has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about simply because most of what the high end "tweeko audiophiles" buy and use is pure bullshit. JohnnyR has it correct in this case and you are STILL not answering any questions because you refuse to do so...Sad sad sad. Absolutes are true in audio......well if you educate yourself that is. America has fallen behind on science and physics because we don't teach it anymore in schools. Too bad you didn't learn anything.So what do you sell? Come on tell us. I bet it's cables and pricey "do dads" that "clarify" makes the original music soure give us orgasms lol. Go peddle your idiotic ideas to the gullible and lame because there aren't any here unless the minions of Ted show up again :)

Hey Sound Hound yes I live in a world of absolutes when it comes to science and snake oil salesmen and you can ABSOLUTELY BITE ME. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

No responses in over a week :) I guess Ted and Company know better than to argue with the FACTS

For those of you who really want to LEARN instead of following blindly, read this http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2009/04/dishonesty-of-sighted-audio-product.html

It has been rumoured that filling those little cups with snake oil gives another huge boost in soundstage depth, bass deepness, wrap around imaging, warmth, liquidity quantumphysical fields and world peace!

Bwahahahahah nice one DrLex :) I'd be happy if they did anything besides sucking the money from the gullible's wallets.

JonnyR you are probably right that at least one of these guys is Ted, but how can you be so absolute about something you have never heard. Why so negative, you seem bitter towards the industry in general.

Bitter who me? lmao I think it boils down to the manufacturer of said products to PROVE to us that they work not the other way around. Ted promised in two other forums to post acoustic measurements from as far back as January and still NOTHING has been posted. All he does is set up a few choice demos where nothing is told about who or how it was done. You know it's very easy to "talk" a group into believing something if you choose your words and actions very carefully and smile a lot lol Did you look at some of the links posted throughout this thread? The high end audio industry has a history of charlatans and right out crooks that produce crap but still find someone that is willing to spend their money on such crap.When audio magazines are set up on the principle of accepting advertising from the same products that they "review" then you have no one policing what gets said or if it's even true. What really sticks out as a warning is the refusal of many to even consider double blind listening tests as a means of determining if they really CAN hear a difference between let's say coat hanger wire and Monster cables. :) They argue against the one sure way of proving if what they are saying they hear is really there. Sounds pretty fishy to me. Getting back to Ted's Crap products, if you have or had taken any physics in school then you would know that such a tiny product cannot possibly effect the low bass notes of a room........NEVER. Read up more online about how acoustics works and it will slowly dawn on you that Ted is making is Crap pure and simple. All his products rely on voodoo hoodoo fancy words like Quantum Tunneling and using Mr Tesla's name to make it sound more legit. Well let me tell you the copyright of using Tesla as a reference ran out years and years ago. He could have said Galileo or Magellan or even Bob and it would be ok to do so. If you go to audio forums and read you'll see that it's always a select few that talk about how cables and power cords sound different. How sad that people rely on idiots like that for actual reviews.

Ok I stumbled across this link a few days ago and you know what? It probably explains 99.9% of the reasons why "tweaks" do "work" lol Maybe some poor lost Audiophile who spends too much money on cables and other odds and ends will come to their senses :)

http://www.ethanwiner.com/believe.html

That's a great link Fiji :) Too bad that most "audiophiles" won't believe it though. They are more gullible than the Republicans that voted Bush into office two terms running . Bwahahahahah! What no responses from Ted and Company in wayyyyyyyyyy over a month now? I guess they gave up. I hope they did. Still no frequency or phase responses after allllll this time. What a shocker (sarcasm). Het Ted where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu? hahahahaa

Yoooooooo hoooooo Teddy boy lmao.........where are youuuuuuuuuu?
Just as I thought, he's just full of BS Bwahahahahahaha! Awwwwwwwww what's the matter Teddy, are your sales in a slump due to people THINKING for themselves? Hahahahahahahahaha!

Hey what happened guys? You lil wussy jokers stop defending Ted's junk? GOOD..........keep moving.

Dear all,

Just want to drop by and make a quick note from Bangkok, Thailand.

A bit of background...
I just came back from a BAV 2009 (Bangkok Audio and Visual Expo 2009) here in Thailand. There was a room apparently tuned with Acoustic ART system and I was interested in what OTHER people have to say about acoustic art. So I did the usual google search and finally arrived here. (being listed at the top of the search help!). So I registered and yes, this is my first post.

After hearing it my self,the way I heard the sales man go on about how great acoustic art systems are I though I must be deft. In my subjective opinion listening to the sound being played. Acoustic ART system doesn't work. The room demoed was still poorly treated (or untreated).

Here are some proof that I am not making this up. :)
http://www.htg2.net/index.php?topic=50792.msg584535#msg584535
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/553/img2935t.jpg

Cheers
Sardion

Welcome Sardion, thanks for telling us and others how Ted's Crap really is! Bwahahahaha another blow aginst Acoustic Art's junk. I hope they soon fold and go out of business. :)

The event was held in a hotel where individual exhibitors set up their systems in rooms that are very similar to each other. This some what guaranteed fairness.

It was an easy call. Although the speaker and the electronics are different between each exhibitors, the different between acoustic art system and room that are well treated using traditional methods are VERY different.

Hey Ted!
Suck it
Hahahahaha!

Hey all you Ted supporters......what's the matter? have you gave up? Bwahahahahahaha! hmmm I suppose the majority have found out that Ted's products are CRAP :)

Ted has no honor nor dignity........he PROMISED frequency and phase measurements to "prove" that his CRAP devices do ANYTHING but he NEVER came through with those........why? BECAUSE HE KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT IS WAS ALL A SHAM!!!!!! Bwahahahaha hey ted, how does it feel to be a liar?

New guy here. I just stumbled upon this thread by doing searches for room treatments for audio systems. By considering all the ramblings, I really have to say this forum is generally a 'did not...did to' sort of child's playground. Yes, I am posting here, but only to make a comment of how ridiculous most of you sound. I don't think any other forum would have allowed this type of infantile conversation. JohnnyR, you would have been booted off any 'respectable' forum by a moderator after two posts. Guy, get a life. Anyone who still uses 'Bwahahahas' or 'Wooooos' nowadays really really needs to 'get with it.' I'm an avid audio person. I've tried expensive cords, power conditioners, room treatments and other items that I thought would never work and I've found you usually get what you pay for. As for this particular tweak, I'd never try it. Maybe to hang on a kid's science fair project, but not in my room. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. I think it has become second to all your childish antics. Most audio forums are there to help people, have proper moderators, and have a purpose. I'm only logging in once so don't waste your time (the immature ones, here) to flame me or accuse me of being a mysterious outsider who suddenly signed up to post and has some hidden agenda... as I will not be logging in again to view any resulting comments. AS a suggestion, try to act like adults and stick to the point. Otherwise, find something else to do. This is a great hobby. Please don't turn it into an 'Oh yah? Just wait...I'll' embarrassment.

Well since you aren't coming back to see what I said........how about you bite me? Bwahahahaha. Seriously, if you think your pricey "audiophool" power cords and do dads made your system "better" then please do spend all your money on such foolishness.You came on here to post absolutely nothing worth reading..Good for you big man lmao I think Ted is the one that has some explaining to do but as we all know from the last few months of postings that he NEVER will. How about YOU try being an adult and stop being such a tight assed prick? Lmao deal with THAT

Now now Johnny, lets not be TOO mean to the little pea brained people that come in here and get into a huff because you "insulted" their "positive" outlook when it comes to trying new things lol You know folks if you want to stop by and give us your SUBJECTIVE opinion on why you think your tweeks work then please do. Just be ready to defend them OBJECTIVELY though unless you want to be made fun of. That's why Ted won't defend his own products. He doesn't have any proof, just hersay. You know I never read about his ARS anymore after the first few months. Looks like people decided that it's bogus. Yay go logic! :)

Hi Guys, I am new to this post, but I've been an audiophile for over 40 years. I've never used any room treatment, nor any mysterious device such as a Shakti Stone. I tend to skeptical of tweaks, especially those which are not explained,at least in broad scientific terms.

That being said... anyone who forms a stong opinion of any audio component of tweak without TRYING it is an IDIOT. That goes for some of you on either side of this argument. the ONLY valid opinions here are from those who have HEARD the effects of these devices. (I have not!) And even those opinions mean nothing to you, until you hear them used in YOUR system... and YOUR room!

Regarding science... unless you're a physicist with a working knowledge of quantum mechanics and sub-atomic particle theory, there simply is a LOT of established science that is beyond your knowledge, and probably your understanding. What seems like 'magic' or 'snake-oil' to you MAY just be working on a principle you know nothing about.

My last comment is on the tone. 'fiji5555' & 'JohnnyR', how can you expect anyone to take you seriously, when you come across like name-calling asshole teenagers? Have you got anything of substance to say? Then just say it, and cut the crap. But WHO CARES what you think of things you've never even heard?

Thanks for the rant The Art, how about you learn to read all of the above posts AND the links next time before you start bitching about us. There's plenty of links that show how foolish a lot of High End Audio really is. By your reasoning I should try out every stupid little tweek that appears online. Sorry but I don't have the time or the urge to try out things I KNOW will not work. Just try using some common sense and thinking for a change. Hahahah I really liked how you tried to link science with....

"Regarding science... unless you're a physicist with a working knowledge of quantum mechanics and sub-atomic particle theory, there simply is a LOT of established science that is beyond your knowledge, and probably your understanding. What seems like 'magic' or 'snake-oil' to you MAY just be working on a principle you know nothing about."

Yeah I know what princeaple Ted's stuff is working on........it's called the science of the gullible.Listen,if you can't think for yourself enough to know what basic physics and science tells us about how things work in audio then you are DOOMED sooner or later to buy some tweeky crap that doesn't do a damn thing. I've never heard a platypus fart but my knowledge of science tells me that, it's going to be something I don't have to have heard to know what it's gonn sound like. lol Nice try with the science busting pal..........move along.

Hey, Fiji. Let's see now...

"Thanks for the rant The Art, how about you learn to read all of the above posts AND the links next time before you start bitching about us."

...mmm...you 'are' the only two that do act like immature teenagers...

"By your reasoning I should try out every stupid little tweek that appears online."

...he didn't make any such reasoning...you just didn't have any come back...

Have you ever listened to a Shunyata high end power cord? Didn't think so. Earlier on, I felt insulted when dealer tried to get me to believe that a power cord would make my system sound better. Well, four years later and hundreds of hours of listening to a couple of dozen cords from different manufacturers, I've chosen the Shunyata Anaconda Helix Alpha for my system (6 so far). Now, choirs sound like a group of individual voices, not a smear of singers. Orchestras have a back-to-front spaciousness. Instruments are over 'here' and 'there,' not muddled together. I personally still can't determine how any of the better power cords make such a great improvement in clarity and soundstage, but they 'do.' The same goes for Symposium Roller Blocks or Acoustic Revive RWL-3 panels, or.....

On a person level, I really don't know why you and JohnnyR hang around here. Most people who come here share information and experiences. You two seem to have nothing else to do in life so you come here to insult people. I feel sorry for both of you. Try listening to some of the things that you dismiss as being foolish because you can't use your common sense to explain their workings. You actually don't add any information to any discussion. You seem to find some inner gratification at ridiculing other people. In future posts, the best thing that could be done would be to stop posting to this thread and ignore both of you. Maybe you'll get tired of insulting an empty room.

Holy crap , not ANOTHER imbecile coming on here spouting off about power cords. Bwahahahaha! I'm realy sorry to have to say this but you are soooooooooo full of CRAP!

You actually took 4 years to listen to a couple of dozen power cords trying to make your music sound life like. Sad just plain sad. I bet the audio dealer that sold you that snake oil was laughing all the way to the bank. Ohhhhhhhhh well MAYBE you DID hear a difference BUT.........you are just saying SUBJECTIVELY what you think. Next time like we said above try bringing us some OBJECTIVE results like PROOF? Your little speech sounds like a well rehearsed add. I bet you and some of the latest bozos coming on here are actually dealers in high end snake oil and if not then I feel sorry for YOU dear sir for buying into this mumbo jumbo.

"On a person level, I really don't know why you and JohnnyR hang around here. Most people who come here share information and experiences. You two seem to have nothing else to do in life so you come here to insult people. I feel sorry for both of you. Try listening to some of the things that you dismiss as being foolish because you can't use your common sense to explain their workings. You actually don't add any information to any discussion. You seem to find some inner gratification at ridiculing other people. In future posts, the best thing that could be done would be to stop posting to this thread and ignore both of you. Maybe you'll get tired of insulting an empty room."

*sniff sniff* ........oh you are so right and I see the error of my ways now..........hey this isn't a Charles Dickens novel so get over yourself already ok?
Lmao so you don't think we share information in this thread? WTF do you think all those posts and links above the last few months have been about? I bet you didn't even go to any of the links you small minded little cretin. Yeah do us all a favor and DON"T come back here.Bwahahahaha go listen to your freakin power cord! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh that cracks me up.

So...what kind of hobby do you think this is? You have to have a graph on a paper in order to 'prove' that a piece of audio equipment is superior? I thought the whole idea was to determine if things 'sounded' better with your ears. You must buy cars only by their specs on paper without even a test drive. You are a very trusting soul, indeed. I think the top speed of a Pinto was about 80 mph. It must have been a 'fast car.!

I thought you would avoid the question about actually listening to a high end power cord. You did, as usual. Just another spout of Bwahahahas and Hahahas, as usual.

And, about your suggestion (once again...yawn...) that I am another person who works for a company, I have tried cords and tweaks from Audioquest, Shunyata, Acoustic Revive, Tara Labs, Moray James, Oyaide, Furutech, and others I can't even recall right now. I think you've worn out that strategy.

I did a quick search and found just 'one' website with reviews.

http://www.shunyata.com/Content/reviews.html

But, Johnny, I guess all these people are just small minded and are shills for the company. Hmmmm...Shunyata must spend more money paying people to write reviews than building their own products?!!! As well, Acoustic Revive must spend oodles of money paying people to say their products work. What a way to make a living...

Here is a bit about 'why' power cords work.

http://www.shunyata.com/Content/FAQ-Tech.html

I guess it's time to convince yourself that the world is still flat...

My turn.........ahhh I see by the "world is flat" comment that you ARE one of the previous people on here trying to turn science around to fit your needs. Please. We believe in science NOT someone coming on here and 'says" that a certain product is good."well he says it's good I guess that proof enough" How stupid.
No we don't need a graph to sort out what's good or not but we DO need some actual measurements that show why something works or do you just wave a magic wand when you go buy a car and hope for the best? Yes I do look at car specs before I buy, what is all you do is go wandering down the street and aimlessly pick just anything to test drive? Must be the same way you pick audio components, after all YOUR ears are golden aren't they? I mean you can hear differences in POWER CORDS for crying out loud.Woo go you! Now if I asked if you did any double blind listening tests in any way or form I can already guess that you will say NO. Why? Well because you have those wonderful GOLDEN ERAS don't ya? You KNOW what you heard so case closed. ............but............I am also willing to say that if you HAD used a DBLT that you would have NOT been able to pick out the different cords. Of course I already covered all of this above in the other posts and links which I'm SURE you read(Sarcasm)
Actually Johnny's BWAHAHAHAHAH's are quite revealing because he only uses them on people who deserve them, for instance you and the people who do high end audio reviews in general. YES most if not all ARE on the payroll from the manufacturers who lend them products to "test". It's called advertising like Stereoephile which is chock full of adds from the same products they test. Wow what a coincidence. Did those same products get glowing reviews? Of course they did, they keep the cash cow going silly boy.
I laughed, yes actually LAUGHED when I saw your "proof" as to why power cords work. The link you posted was from the same people that MAKE the products! Well, duhhhhhhhhhhhh of course they are going to come up with all sorts of ideas and excuses and pseudo-science in their explanations. Those "respected" audio mags listed on that page are the ever endless continuation of the fleecing of the audiophile. Most if not ALL of them are pure garbage. oh and for those who haven't even checked out those power cords yet.....$2000 for a cord........yes that's right folks, you best take out a loan before you even go into the store. Get real people or should I say get some common sense and get your heads out of your ass. :)
Ok Frankie, how about some actual science and physics next time or please just don't bother. Have any measurements showing ANY measurable differences at the amplifier's OUTPUTS? Yes notice I said outputs which of course is where the sound comes out right before it goes to the speakers (am I going to fast for you , maybe I should slow down). ANY well made amp's power supply will swamp out any interference from the power side of the equation. The ONLY time they would have a problem would be power surges or variances in the voltage level, which your fancy power cords do NOTHING to help in that area.So come on Frankie, lets see your charts and graphs from the amp's output side. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.........

The second at bat turns up. Firstly, I am not any other poster. That tactic is also wearing thin. Why is it that the first line of defense of you two is to accuse the poster of being another poster or working for a company? The poke at the world being flat was for him drop his narrow-minded approach of 'it couldn't possibly work.'

No one was more skeptical than I was before I started comparing power cords, NOBODY. There was no bloody way someone was going to convince me that the cord going to the wall was going to make a positive difference. Interconnects and speaker cables, yes, but power cords, no. When you hear it though, it's hard to deny its results. I'm running two mono blocks, so if I swap out one cord with another, according to you, I should hear no difference. Well, there 'is' a difference, and a huge positive one with the proper cord. I too would love to see how what these cords do but for now, the proof's in the listening. The side with the better cord is more open and clear. And yes, different manufacturer's cords 'do' sound different. I know you'll love this one too - different cable elevators sound different, also. Drop a good speaker on a carpet and you've essentially killed it. Put it on a proper elevator, and it sounds great. And I mean dropping one side at a time and listening for any differences.

Here is some more reading -

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_6_2/acpowercordcomparison.html

You might want to take notice of the following line -

"Like clockwork, a certain group of know-everything, highly opinionated, self-appointed "Defenders of the Audio World" will post one message after another of "facts" (or attempted sarcasm) about how power cords cannot possibly make a difference. Rarely do these posts talk about actually listening, but I guess that's beside the point, right?"

Is he describing you? Have you actually heard different high end power cords in a good system? It's nice to be a skeptic but not when you actually hear the results. When I read a review, I usually say, "Uhumm.. yah, right." But when it is in front of your face, it becomes, '...well, okay...'

My same question goes out to you and JohnnyR - have you heard different high end power cords on a good system? Can the term 'in my experience' enter into your conversation? So far, it hasn't.

I'll just borrow a phrase from Johnny R here and say BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Seriously, you keep with the same old crap. Now it's cable elevators lmao, and OMG different ones sound different too! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA hold fuck. Good one you keep me amused. THat link you sent was dated 1999 by the way.....yes I traveled back through time to heckle his blog lol yesh you are pulverising me with :"proof" alrite. Keep up the good work for the looney side of audio I'm sure you are converting thousands on here lol Seriously I've had better arguments with a rock. Now go masturbate to your power cords and cable elevators.....I think I'll go listen to music myself instead of equipment.

LOL! I was expecting a bit better response. Hmmm... no I wasn't. Just the usual vulgarity and avoidance. In essence, you have NO personal experience about the things you challenge. The only thing you can do is avoid questions about your own listening experience and heap on a 'go masturbate' or 'holy fuck' in an attempt to save face. Pathetic. Go and enjoy your 1982 Onkyo receiver with the natural wood grain. I'm sure it suits you well. Better yet, try posting your childish vulgar ramblings in Audio Asylum or Audiogon and see how long you last. We would all love a good laugh there! Buh-bye, loser! I think I've had enough of Audiojunkies for a while.

Oh so you post at THOSE places :0 oh my I'm impressed NOW.........NOT lmao........speaking of ignoring the questions, you did a mighty fine job of it on my post up two. All you do is talk about what you "heard" wow that's scientific to the core.You ignore questions about double blind listening tests and measureing at the amps outputs then talk about more snake oil equipment. Typical of the dyed in the wool audio looney. You spent $2000 EACH for 6 power cords. That's using the money wisely. :) I think we all know who's the loser here today, yeah that's right tuck your tail between your legs and go limping back to your looney audiophool pals...........good riddance :p

Hello folks. Just dropping by to say I've been reading the above posts here and I find some people's morals to be corrupt. I mean of course the people who come through here and post those silly comments saying they think cables and power cords and the ART system does wonders. Makes me wonder how ignorant most people really are.
I agree with Fiji and Johnny and found it funny when Frankie stomped off in huff and never did really say anything substantial then accused you two of not giving out information. Oh well takes all types in this world eh guys? Count me in the group that is getting tired of people using the term "Flat Earth" when it should really apply to them.

Okay...answering your questions -double blind tests - no. I've done my own swapping of cords, changing one at a time and them both channels. I've had friends come over and make their own decisions of where the cords should go. Most of them are not in this hobby so they don't have any interest in the results. They are just out to trick me. I've always been able to determine which channel had the better cord, and especially when both channels had the better cord. Answered, honestly.

Regarding the measurements - I have no idea what instrumentation would be required, and if I did, I'd probably not have any way to access it. You seem to want the manufacturer to bring forth their own graphs and test. Yet, when a manufacturer tries to explain (without graphs or technical testing) how their product works, you simply dismiss it "The link you posted was from the same people that MAKE the products! " So, who would you like to perform the technical tests? If you don't trust anything from the manufacturer, then who would you believe? If the manufacturer had an outside independent agent do the testing for them, I'm sure you would also dismiss because the manufacturer initiated the testing.

I also don't understand your constant rants about my listening experience. I never mentioned that listening to my setup was scientific. I also mentioned that 'I' would like to 'see' what the cords do. This would support what I 'hear.' My point in these posts was that I, at least, have the experience of listening to high end power cords, whereas the people here who shoot them down seem to not. This is a hobby. Listening is more enjoyable than sifting over papers and charts. It would be nice to have both, but for now listening takes top billing. You don't have to buy the cords. Most dealers will let you demo them for free. If you don't like it, just take it back and be done.

For my own interest, I am going to send off a letter to Grant Samuelson of Shunyata for any info he can supply.

Next...your answer to my question...have you actually listened to and tried to evaluate a high end power cord?

Tiny, are you in this too? It took you 8 minutes to find this forum and send your first post. Congratulations? Anything to add, Tiny?

Your friends must be giving you either visual or sound clues as to what they did possibly unknowingly. The only real way to do a fair test is the double blind one. If you can do as claimed then set up a double blind test then send the results.
You tying to say that the manufacturer should be trusted to supply the test results is very naive. That's like letting the fox guard the henhouse so to speak, Please. Tell you what, have them send a power cord to The Audio Critic and let him run a full blown set of tests and publish the results on his website. http://www.theaudiocritic.com/

Sending off a letter to Mr Samuelson is about as productive as letting them test their own product. He will only tell you what you want to hear or what he wants you to hear.If he has the balls then have him send his product to the above link and let them test it.
Have I ever listened to different power cords? Why certainly, ever product I own has a different power cord ;) Ok I'll be serious. NO........why? Basically it insults my intelligence because I know better. Because that's like saying I should paint the edges of my CD's with a green marker pen or place my picture into the freezer to get better sound. Those are "real" tweeks by the way that have been suggested in the past. Power cords do NOTHING. Period. They carry current to the unit and that's it. Trying to say it improves the sound is just not possible at all. I'm not going to run off and try every little crazy suggestion that's online just because one person says it does, or for that matter if a whole group of people says it does. There are plenty of forums online with people on both sides of the fence that have tried hearing a difference and never have or claimed that it's the wonder product of the century. You choose your side and I'll choose mine. Before you start in on my not ever trying to listen to power cords then supply some real measurements proving your point. Your subjective opinion is just that. Subjective. I can claim I hear an improvement in sound by placing little wooden or stone do dads on top of my equipment but then that just says I'm either correct or a looney. It doesn't prove anything other than my conviction that I'm right and everyone else is wrong. If a group of people want to agree on a forum that they too hear something but never supply any measurements of any sort trying to determine what's causing it, then it's just their word against mine.What type of measurements? Frequency and phase and spectral response at the amps outputs for starters. If there's no difference with the power cord installed or removed then it does nothing to improve the sound.Please don't respond with "oh but there are things we hear that can't be measured". That's one of the biggest excuses I read in audio forums all the time when people try to defend their wacky tweeks, it's also how a lot of manufacturers defend the same said tweeks. Would you buy the ART system mentioned above at the top of this thread? I mean you read the "rave" reviews, surely it must be fantastic! See what I mean? Anyone can say that their product is great but rarely VERY rarely do they let anyone with an ounce of ability test said product. Like I said send one of those power cords to The Audio Critic and let him see what he finds out. Other wise I'm not going to debate this subject further about power cords. It's like beating a dead horse and in my opinion a waste of time. Thanks for your time I'm sure you'll enjoy gushing about your power cords on Audio Asylum with the other inmates :)

Point made. You sound a lot like I did a few years ago. No need for sarcasm. I've never posted anything about power cords in another forum.

We all do what we do. We just have different points of reference.

Well, I sent off an email to theaudiocriitic asking for some sort of test to show that power cords do not (or do) make a difference in the outputs of a stereo system. Yes, I stated the 'do not' first. This is what I got -

I have addressed this issue at

http://theaudiocritic.com/plog/index.php?op=Default&Date=200610&blogId=1

That's all I have to say.

Best regards,

Peter Aczel
Editor & Publisher

He addressed it? This is the scientific website you directed me to? Hate to sound sarcastic here, but as you pointed out above, he also has the 'rave reviews' posted on his site. I was really, seriously hoping for more, even a glimmer more. I'm sure he is very knowledgeable about electronics and audio and I'm sure he has the equipment to prove a point, but... He says this issue does not require science, just common sense. What?! He is trying to prove this to me because he doesn't see how it could possibly work. He says we should 'think about it.' Sorry, that doesn't cut it. As you said, either prove the point with clear data, or don't waste time.

It would seem that someone who is so against this particular product would revel at the chance to show that all power cords are bogus. Think of the waves he could make to finally show the big companies how useless their products are . Instead he too uses avoidance. I was really hoping his attitude would be different because 'I' wanted to see something come of this. I would even help pay him to do the bloody testing.

So, I guess this is done. You refuse to try one and he refuses to test one (or it seems also listen to one). The reason - well, it just can't be. We all should just 'think' about it. Cripes, if I was him, I would jump at the chance to rub power cord companies' noses in my findings. Good grief, Charlie Brown!

Again, I'm sure he does a wonderful and accurate job at what he does, when he chooses to do so. It just seems this is a thorn that he is not yet willing to pull out.

Oh well,...

Hmmm...just in case you doubt the authenticity of his response, you can write him and make a similar request. I'm sure you'll get the same answer.

Frankie what do you mean it took me 8 minutes to find this forum and post? I've been reading on here for ages sorting through the links and such. It takes no time at all to sign up and post after that. Regarding Peter Aczel, I read his response at the link and frankly I couldn't agree more. To quote, "If you pay more than a few bucks, you've been had. (Besides, as I've stated a number times before, your audio circuits don't know and don't care what's on the AC side of the power transformer. What they're interested in is the DC voltages they need. But that's engineering science…)"
I think that's what Fiji was referring to, it's what gets sent out on the outputs of the amp ( the DC rails supplying the peak to peak voltage swing for the outputs) The power supply transformer and associated caps, diodes and filters will swamp out any weird EMI induced on the AC side and give you pure DC voltage. I don't see anyway that a souped up power cord can make any difference at all on the DC side. Mr Aczel has been in the business for long long time and probably doesn't have the time or desire to respond to requests for tests that no longer interest him. I would read more on his website. I find his ideas and the people who do some of the testing for him refreshingly frank and honest and blunt.

Probably my last update.

I emailed Peter and asked him if he had ever done any instrumental analysis to base his views on. Had he ever done a simple swap of a power cord on a biamped system and did a quick listen? The answers were 'no' and 'no.' Why? Because he doesn't 'think' it would yield any results. This isn't subjective or objective. It's just plain nothing.

The next time I'm in an audio store, I will tell the vendor that I will not try out a new model CD player unless he gives me detailed graphical of the analysis frequency and phase and spectral response at the amps outputs before I will try it out. I won't care what it sounds like. I will want graphical proof first before I try it. Sound silly? Yah, it does. Instead, I'd be more interested if there was a new DAC in the model and do some research on it. I might ask if the transport has been upgraded. Is there some new vibration damping in the enclosure?

And no, my friends didn't burp or suddenly raise their 'right' arm to signal me which power cord was the stock one in my biamp system test. As I mentioned, most of them have no interest in this at all. I've plunked down people whose only audio experience had probably been an FM radio. They would usually look left and right and mention that 'ummmm... that side sounds clearer.' 'Is the other one broken?' or something to that effect. No smoke and mirrors. Just a simple listen, that's all.

I once almost pulled hair out when one channel did not sound quite right. The highs were not as crisp as the other and just didn't match the other. Something was definitely wrong. I checked and double-checked every possible connection, turned the components off and on a few times, and even took a break to see if my ears were playing tricks. Just before I phoned my dealer, I noticed that one of the speaker cables had fallen off the flippn' cable elevator onto the carpet. At that point, I just shut everything off and went upstairs thinking 'this is nuts!' If anyone had tried to convince me this could possibly be true before starting this hobby, I would have just nodded and looked out the window.

It's fun though to try these things out and learn for yourself. That's what makes the hobby a learning experience. When you get everything right, it is pure nirvana. You want to somehow move the front wall away so you can see the performers, not just listen to them.

Anyway, Johnny, you seem to be quiet. It is not as much fun when you can't Bwahaha your way out of a conversation. Tiny, (if there ever 'was' a new member called Tiny), anything to add?

The reason I compared this forum to Audiogon or the Audio Asylum is that most folks there actually listen to components or tweaks before commenting on them. I was hoping to hear some of the same here. Not that I'm particularly interested in this forum's tweak. I just clicked around on some time off and thought WTH is this? To me, it sounds too foolish to consider trying. But, I'm sure someone else is doing the usual listening and debating. It's all part of the hobby. Gidday.

Wtf? Well Frankie, yes I am Tiny and a new member, sorry you seem so paranoid. Get over yourself.
Yeah sounds like you are having great fun messing with your components over and over instead of just relaxing to some good music. Wait, I think I hear my left audio cable has moved an inch. Now the soundfield has collapsed. Ok fixed it. Oops, now my power cord needs burned in before I can use it. Funny stuff Frankie. Do you ever hear voices in your head and your not hearing headphones at the time? lol CD players play CDs. Not much is going on in those things that you need to obsess about, just put in a cd and hit play and listen. To the music I meant not the cd player lol I'm really enjoying myself here Frankie can you tell? I only wish JohnnyR was here to chime in also, Ta ta.

Bwahahah.........ermmm oh forget it lol Frankie has already stolen all the good jokes :/ Audio Asylum is FULL of nutjobs though and I always have a grand time reading their crazy posts.Like minds think alike I suppose. Damn but that's a scary thought!
Yep Tiny, Frankie will soon be able to put a bat, cat and dog to shame with his sonar hearing abilities. Welcome to the chat btw Tiny! Those cable elevators crack me up! Hoo hoo he he! What would Frankie do if his cds got magnetised or if he found out that his amplifier was facing east instead of north-east? Oh the shock and horror.

Hey, just gotta say that fiji and JohnnyR are a couple of ignorant little trolls. I'll bet both of their systems sound like the same shit they have for brains. And fiji, if you don't have time to listen and try things out... you have no valid opinion. Shut up and learn something. (Don't bother to reply, guys. I don't care what you think. You're morons. Go to a Town Hall and yell, "I want my country back!" instead.)

OK, that felt good. Now, for the grown-ups out there... It's true that there are a lot of nonsense tweaks. But if you haven't heard what A/C conditioners and high-quality power cords can do...

A. Your system is not very revealing.
B. Your ears aren't very good.
C. You've never even tried one.

A great man once told me that the 2 rules of audio are:

1. You never know what you're missing.
2. Everything makes a difference.

I would add:

3. Not everything you don't understand is snake-oil.

BTW, all my final evaluations are done in blind tests. You need to eliminate the variables and get consistent results, or you haven't proven anything.

Wow Getreal you have a rather well thought out way to do your own trolling it seems. Did Frankie send you here from your Audio Asylum Nutjob pals? Lol you are one funny guy Getreal. If you didn't care what we think then you wouldn't be on here spewing out your hate and ignorant crap now would you? Grownups? Oh you mean the brain washd minions that eat up every litle crappy tweek that's oot there like you? :) I bet you know Ted personally.
Gosh and who is this great man of audio that you never even bothered to name? Is he your imaginary friend that only goes away after you take your meds? Ok that felt better than what you delt out hahahaha.

It's true that there are a lot of nonsense tweaks. But if you haven't heard what A/C conditioners and high-quality power cords can do...

A.Your system sounds great without them
B. Your ears are fine
C.You never tried on nor never will need too since you are smart enough to think for yourself and not be taken in by the snake oil salesmen.

"A great man once told me that the 2 rules of audio are:

1. You never know what you're missing.
2. Everything makes a difference. "

That's correct you NEVER know what you are missing since the snake oil tweeks are imaginary to begin with and NO everything does NOT make a difference. Use your brain people instead of being sheep.

"3. Not everything you don't understand is snake-oil."

Yeah you're correct on that, just 99% of it :) See, if you don't understand something then according to Getreal it's probably a really good (and expensive) item to buy. I personally keep things like faith and religion to my spiritual beliefs and not to the world of audio that so many tend to have used astheir personal "religion", think I'm exaggerating? Check out what foolishness people are willing to believe in just because someone said it's so.
Yes I believe all your evaluations are done with blind tests Getreal........blind to everything except your own dogma. So where are the links to your said blind tests and the scientific results? Care to share? Thought not.

"You're morons. Go to a Town Hall and yell, "I want my country back!" instead.)"

Hahah that's comical somewhat considering I voted for Obama and believe in what he's doing. How about you go to Audio Asylum and yell out "I want my intelligence back!" So stop your silly trolling here and please don't come back unless you have proof to back up your claims of blind tests pal. You just appear foolish to anyone who has a brain. Did you even read through all the posts and links above? I'd guess a big fat NO because your on;y reason for coming on here was to spew and rant and contribute nothing worth reading. Congrats on living up to your goals.

Fiji and JohnnyR, I see what you two have to go through now with the crazies that come and go through here. Getreal, let me ask you why you came to a thread about the ART system THEN talk about power cords and conditioners? Seems to me you were either sent by Frankie or you just changed your name. I think something stinks and it's not just your opinion that you failed to back up with posted results.
Thanks Johnny for the welcome.

No problem Tiny. Hahaha you told off Getreal and so did Fiji :) Yeah he was either Frankie using another name or one of his friends dropping by to act "cool". He did end up looking like a twat though didn't he? Bwahahahahahahaha........that's for the ones that don't like my laugh.
So let's see, we've been on here for 8 months and in all this time Ted NEVER made an appearance (or DID he?) plus he NEVER produced any frequency or phase measurements nor defended his CRAP products. Way to go Teddy Boy, sure inspires confidence. XD Him and his "engineer" are probably too busy using the Tesla coil to cook hotdogs with or using it as bug zapper. Quantum tunneling the ol weeny.

Haha "Quantum tunneling the ol weeny" maybe they use the tesla coil for BDSM games :) How are sales going for the ART system anyways? Perhaps Ted hasn't had to do much quality control on his ringing salad bowls much.

So, what do you think of your buddy's 'scientific' approach to 'prove' that power cords do nothing to change the sound of a system? Is that what Theaudiocritic does? He also 'thinks' about a lot of things...all without evidence. His frequency phase measurements seems to be lacking, do you think? I guess he ran all those speaker cables, interconnects, power cords, and power conditioners through his 'thinking' machine and it told him they don't work. No, maybe it was the 'common sense' machine!

I thought Getreal did share his findings and how be came about them. But now you ask for published results. Did you want them checked by an accounting company?

You sit here waiting for Ted? Do you think he really cares what you are waiting for. I think he might have better things to do.

So, let's see...Tara Labs is a scam, as well as Audioquest, Shunyata, Kimber, hmmmmm....Nordost, Goertz... Acoustic Revive must be a complete ripoff. They are in 'big' trouble if you ever get hold of their products. Actually, I don't think they have to worry. You never will.
So any answers about Theaudiocritic? His proof is the same as yours - no published results to prove these things are a scam and no listening trials. Maybe not...I'm sure he closed 'both' his eyes when he though about all this. Does that count as a double-blind test?

Blah blah blah Frankie. You came back on here to defend what? Yes maybe Peter Aczel does have better things to do besides wasting his time testing a 3 foot power cord that just carries current and NOTHING else. If you are so determined to have someone test one then find them. Ted SHOULD come on here and defend his products since it's one of the top Google results when searching for his ART system, I mean after all that's how YOU found it correct? lmao Yeah published results would be how 100% of the scientific world does do things Frankie or haven't you noticed? Common sense would be nothing you know about since you spent $12,000 on a little cord that plugs into the wall hahahahah. Wow you nailed that one about all those high end companies being scams, too bad you don't really believe it yourself so go ahead and shell out more and more of your money to them. No worries for them about me getting a hold of their products since I know better in the first place hahaha. You got your panties in a wad I see about The Audio Critic. What's the matter Frankie, you miffed that he wouldn't stop everything just to test your silly little power cords? I bet I know what happened, you read all his other results for equipment and his stand on how stupid most high end companies really are then you showed his site to some of your audiophool pals and they told you he was just a hack so now you believe them instead of thinking for yourself. Way to go Frankie, you are now one of the mindless sheep in high end audio. Have fun buying more and more crappy hack tweeks. :) Enjoy living in la la land and obsessing about your little cable stands. What a moron.

Anyone want a good laugh? Go to -

http://audiojunkies.com/blog/1677/the-worlds-15-sexiest-speakers-2009-edition

People are trying to have a decent conversation about speakers. See if you can spot the too poor dimwits ranting again. You three deserve each other! As it was mentioned before...why are you here? You aren't actually interested in this hobby. You do nothing but rant against anyone who posts here. You just ramble from forum to forum and take pot shots against those who have opinions formed from 'experience.' As you will notice, they are being ignored over there in speakerland. LOL. As usual, no suggestions,...just childish negative rants. OMG. This is a hoot!

No, I'm not miffed at Peter's response. I kind of expected it. It's easy to set up a website and slam a whole bunch of products and back it up with 'because I think so.' I don't have to defend anything. I don't have a website that claims different items don't work but provide nothing to substantiate the claims. He does.

As for the published results, how many people do you know that try out new audio tweaks, do supervised double-blind tests, and then have them published in the scientific world. You nuts? This is a hobby that occurs in people's basements FGS!

Hmmmm....I don't obsess. I just listen and learn. It's easy to avoid but more challenging to do.

I think the opinion stated on the loudspeaker thread was justified. Those are some ugly speakers and way over priced. So now you are going around trying to find more posts by us? I find that flattering Frankie boy. Must be nice to not have much of a life like you :) If anyone is childish it's you for continuing this by trying to offend me. Good luck with that dimwit.
We are having a pretty good laugh already just seeing you come back over and over and over here and making a fool of yourself Frankie. Keep it up, you and your little power cord and cable elevators *snicker* funny stuff boy. I am interested in this hobby but not at people's expense of being fleeced and spending hard earned money on foolishness. You on the other hand Frankie don't seem to care how much money you throw away. Let me ask you why you keep coming here to a thread based upon the ART system yet you contibute NOTHING about that at all? Oh yeah, you got your ass served earlier on here and got your itty bitty feelings hurt........boo hoo go cry at Audio Asylum.
So you think Peter does nothing to substaniate his reviews? What a complete IDIOT you are. You haven't even read much there have you? Just enough to show that you, yourself are some of the imbeciles that Peter talks about Bwahahahah carry on being audio's bitch boy, I'm sure the companies love taking your money :) For you information, Peter hads been in the audio reviewing business for about 30 years :) He started off with his paper version of The Audio Critic and ended up afet a long pusblishing history of being on the web instead, Try to learn your facts next time before sticking your foot in your mouth little man lmao.

"As for the published results, how many people do you know that try out new audio tweaks, do supervised double-blind tests, and then have them published in the scientific world. You nuts? This is a hobby that occurs in people's basements FGS!"

OMG Bwahahahahahah that only proves my point that such tests are flawed and not proof at all! Yeah people like you coming on here and saying something works "because I say so" sure is a really great way to convince lol. As usual Frankie you have shown us NOTHING worth considering except for your foolishness.:)

Gosh Frankie stop being such a tool and go play in your own playpen. Your stupidity is showing.

I'm referring to his Ten Biggest Lies. A lot of evidence given there. Absolutely none. None whatsoever. Just a lot of 'I don't think so's.'

You have listened to the ART system? You have any comments about what YOU'VE found? Again, none, whatsoever.

I don't need double-blind tests at my place. I am running two monoblocks. Test - set up the speakers exactly the same distance from the back wall and sidewalls - eliminate first order reflections - sit in listening position and make sure both channels form a good soundstage - unplug a power cord or interconnect on 'one' side - sit back and listen. If there is a difference, then something has changed. Double-blind tests test your auditory memory, nothing else.

About coming here - I came across this site and thread by chance and found you three dimwits that contribute nothing at all but negativity. No hearing, testing, or anything constructive. Just calling people idiots or throwing in infantile Bwahahas. You have become five minutes of comedic relief after a day's work. After you comes Seinfeld on the tube.

Tiny, you have life? Go get one. Nothing much from you except wiping the other two's asses. Do you actually 'have' a stereo? BTW, 'great' comment in the speaker forum. I was reading other people's speaker recommendations about speakers and came across your 'manly' peep in the woods. Exactly how are people there supposed to respond to you? They just shake their heads, laugh, and move on with the conversation. Holy sh#@ man, you are funny!

Well, five minutes are up...

Yet another "I heard it so it must be so"post from dumbass. Seriously Frankie your shtick is wearing thin. Peter would chew you up and spit you out without breaking a sweat, try writing him the same shit you post here sometime. He could use a good chuckle.

So you "don't need double blind tests" yeay yeah same old shit all the audiophools say as an excuse to make their "I heard it so it must be so" bullshit sound plausible. Face it Frankie if you HAD to take a double blind test, you would fail it so yeah I see your point. You can't do tests as you do and have reliable info. Audio memory is short term NOT long term so by the time you switch out the power cords it's too late the way you do them PLUS you are going to have audible and visual clues even if you aren't aware of them. Double blind tests are for finding a difference between two components. If you can't get a statisical average that shows you can pick out the difference reliably then you aren't hearing any difference, plain and simple. Try getting a real education at your local college and you might know what you are talking about.
You sure do rant on about us three "dimwits" that you say contribute nothing to the subject matter. Hell Frankie you must not be reading much then. Try going back up and going to all the links Fiji and JohnnyR posted. If that's not being being constructive then I don't know what else you require. If you are so fired up to hear Ted's silly little ringing ART salad bowls then go have a listen yourself. I'm pretty sure he can talk you into buying a set very easily considering your track record so far lmao.
Yeah Frankie I do have a life.Glad you seem to care lol Nice ass reference , you would know about asses since you have your head shoved so far up your own that you can finally hear that soundstage you were looking for hahahaha. Hey you got upset becasue I'm not a sheep like you are over at Audio Asylum? BTW I have some green crayons that I swear will make your speakers sound like pure orgasmic honey ig you just poke them through each cone! I'm only asking $200 per crayon too, a real bargain plus you know it must work because I say it does lol.
Please do keep coming back Frankie, you seem not able to stay away for more than a day at a time.

"You have listened to the ART system? You have any comments about what YOU'VE found? Again, none, whatsoever"

No Frankie I've not listened to the ART system. I have better things to do than waste my life listening to stupid items that don't work. Anyone with even a high schooling of physics can tell you it wouldn't work as claimed.Too bad most people don't even bother learning the basics so are prone to being fleeced and buying anything that's "reviewed" in audio magazines. They want your money........period. Tell us about your latest buying experience and what silly item you got this time. I hear Tice is having a sale on their clocks. At least you can use one of those to see how much wasted time you spent on crap. :)

"Yeah Frankie I do have a life.Glad you seem to care lol Nice ass reference , you would know about asses since you have your head shoved so far up your own that you can finally hear that soundstage you were looking for hahahaha"


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! that's telling Frankie, Tiny XD Awwwwwwww Frankie hasn't come back yet. Perhaps he had a stroke reading the truth about himself lmao

It's BORING without any new meat to make fun of lmao. Yoo hooooooooo any ART buyers out there that want to defend their foolish purchase? lol

JohnnyR, Ted's salad bowls just aren't as popular as they once were. I guess the audiophools have moved on to the "next great thing" and spending more money foolishly on yet other stupid products :) I personaly, am making high end coloring books that absolutely make your system sound like .........well crayons and who doesn't like the sound of crayons? Hahahaha. Only $2000 so what a bargain! I'll soon have several online audio sites reviewing them with gushing glowing reviews of course!

You know what I hear in this thread for the last week? NOTHING exactly the same thing that Ted's ART system does for your audio system Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!

http://stereophile.com/asweseeit/1107awsi/

Describes what's wrong with "High End" audio for years and years. J Gordon Holt had the right idea, too bad John Atkinson and crew are running Stereophile into the ground with their BS. Reading that magazine is like having a bad version of a history book in school. You get tired of having to wade through the muck trying to find the truth. ;) God speed Mr Holt, you will be missed.

That's a nice link Fiji5555, too bad Ted's "Think a Likes" will never admit that they are brainwashed. Yay lets keep spending money on "Steropiles" reviews lmao For God's sake people learn about SCAMS before you SPEND!

I have been away for a looong time but look who posts here week after week, after month, after...

Anyway I found a comprehensive review for the ART System here:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

Enjoy

Howdy do Aslan the wonder poster lol Can't stay away from your favorite subject now can you? hahahah Oh I read that sorry posting you linked to above a few weeks back and would have posted my thoughts in the comments section there but by reading what others have already posted I am glad that I'm not a minority that thinks the ART system is a SCAM. Seriously it was written by a Stereophile author. Enough said. Lmao Funny stuff sir.Notice the outrage by others in the comment section for even reviewing that garbage on that website? Hahahahah give it up fan boy :)

The only people who had anything negative to say had never listened to the system. Quite a few people who have actually heard the ART System shared their positive findings which mirrored the review.

OTOH you either do not have a life or you are in the industry. No one could be so pathetic to post and post and post to this site with nothing to declare save your own stupidity.

BTW are you going to RMAF? I hear they will have measurements for the ART System. I can already anticipate your response when the measurements are made public.

ROTFLMAO

OMG Aslan give it up you Shilling moron The only ones having something negative to say about the product were those that actually THINK and have an education to know when they are being fed BS.
Oh yeah the people that shared that the ART silliness worked are those that have something at stake in it or are complete idiots.

Hahahah yeah I admit that I am in the industry, you caought me red handed and I have to fess up now. Yep I'm the one who makes those $1000 wind chimes that also double as "audio enhancers" hahahaha your stupidit knows no bounds "Ted" oops I mean Aslan :)
The reason I keep posting here is because of shills like you keep coming and trying to do "repair" work on the ART image. Good luck with that. You can't polish a turd.

Oh measurements at last after they were promised what over a year ago? Big woo! I'll await to see how they managed to screw those up thank you very much.Will Ted be giving a speech at the latest AES convention anytime soon with said measurements? Lmao I won't ohld my breath.:)

ROFLCOPTERS INC PMSL

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy it's Asian!!!!!!!!!!!! Long time no see bud how's they hanging dude? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH miss me much? Glad to see that you still come by trying to prop up Ted's CRAP! I got to tell ya I LOVED reading that link and then the responses. Did my heart good seeing rational people shoot down a stupid product.
So just how is Ted going to measure his lil ringing bowls and dodads anywho? I'm betting he uses a hand held sound meter and pink noise and just moves it around enough till he gets some "measurements" that look good enough to post online LMAO How close did I get guys? Oops now you're going to have to stay up late tonight rethinking your options all over again XD Like Fiji I'm betting he royaly screws up the presentation and the measurements will be "junk science" and easily shot down with anyone that's gone to college. Boy oh boy I can't wait to see them!!!!!! BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Keep posting your CRAP to bury the review?

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

I can cut and past day, after day, after day.

WTF are you on about Asian? You got a few loose screws or something? I hope people DO read the silly review and then the responses at the end. You must think a LOT of people come here looking for the ART crap or something. Ohhhhhhhh that's right you are prob one of Ted's people selling the junk that's whyyy..... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......yep you're either a dealer or Ted himself. Please do come back day after day after day and post the link and we will keep calling you an idiot and moron and overall ART flunky..........have a nice day :)

cut and paste:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

Aslan seems to be a real company amn ehh guys? Why else does he keep coming back to post that link? Fess up Aslan it will do your soul good hahahahah. Also please note to read the comments after that article and you will see who has the sense NOT to buy into this junk.:) Keep posting that link Aslan you idiot lmao

There are only two idiots posting here (perhaps the same idiot posting under different names) attacking everyone who has anything positive to say regarding ART. Everyone is a "SHILL", "CRAP", "COMPANY MAN" and if they are members of the press, they too are in on a grand conspiracy.

The only fly in the ointment is the steady stream of people like myself, magazines reviewers, and people who have heard the demonstration at RMAF and dealer showrooms who all attest to what the ART System does for rooms that might otherwise go untreated. I am such a customer. I am sure when SR publishes measurements with and without the ART System in a listening room this too will be deemed CRAP, DOCTORED, and so on.

I have a question for the IDIOT TWINS- do you like pissing into the wind?

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

Lmao Aslan temper temper did we hit a nerve? Hahahah. You just keep saying the same old tired things over and over..........borrrrrrrringggggg.
The only fly in the ointment is idiots like YOU and paid off Audiofool magazine reviewers and the gullible who had gone to listen to the stupid ART junk. Who is this SR you refer to that is supposed to be publishing actual measurements? It might help if you used names instead of initials ya know. Oh I'm sure the measurements will prove a lot lol just waiting to see what kind of measurements they do and yes if they are CRAP and DOCTORED then WE the actual people who have an education in such things will be sure to let little pea brained people like YOU Aslan know just how they went wrong.
I prefer pissing on stupid silly CRAP like the ART system and fools like you instead btw..........hey please come back tomorrow and post another link over and over and over it sure makes you look like a complete moron. You know people can just read though this thread, they aren't stupid like you :)

Ohhhhhhhhhh I figured it out SR=Synergistic Research the "official" name of Ted's scam company. Good thing knowing that we can trust Ted to give us "real" measurements. Come on Ted show us the frequency and phase measurements on a before and after treated room. Now be sure you use only a one speaker so we don't get comb filtering in the measurements from moving the microphone around. Preferably no moving the mic at ALL. I think replacing the ART do dads with maybe a small bell or beachball would be interesting too just to see if placing ANYTHING at the same locations will affect the frequency response which in my opinion it will :) Oh be sure to move the magnets on your lil do dads also lol THAT should REALLY change things a LOT hahahahaha

Looks like a good time to update with my growing experience with these devices. Anyone remember that I was skeptical about the need for the bass station? I soon began to understand beyond the published info what these devices actually do based on my own hearing. I realized that they would in no way add to the bass, but instead would augment it. I purchased it locally, knowing that I could return it very conveniently without risk if need be. Bottom line is that the bass station is a very necessary component of a system. And the best way to describe the effect is as it's stated in the reviews. It truly gives a tighter presentation of your speakers low frequency response. It's good, really good. If you want to realize what Synergistic is trying to offer you in the way of a definite improvement of the sound of your system, the bass station is actually key. I totally agree with their own reccommendation that a budget ART system should be comprised of at least one satellite along with the bass station. All in all, no regrets whatsoever, except that I paid near retail, and can now find a demo system for about 2/3 what I paid.

Fiji, Johnny, Tiny, Hi! I love you, like I love taking a big dump in the morning. The more you talk, the more clean this thread is becoming, at least intentionally. You guys are making utter fools of yourselves, and only helping those trying to make a decision on this product--in favor of at least trying Acoustic Art! Don't you know how curiosity works? Works best in the face of a lot of drama. Even if you were the true heralds of truth as you proclaim, your message delivery is like a kid in tantrum, writing on his bedroom walls with his own shit. And once he's through, well, he's learnt a valuable lesson, has he not? AND HAVE YOU NOT? Some things--an individuals' right to express his own free will, are better left ALONE. Think mankind will save himself with a busybody mentality? Methinks that would be the quickest route to extinction. OR WILL HE ONCE AND FOR ALL LIVE AND LET LIVE UNLESS ANOTHER WRONGFULLY STANDS DIRECTLY IN HIS WAY. With a 30-day return policy, you guys are just beyond comprehension. In the name and spirit of SCIENCE, try these products and prepare to be WRONG. There is no way that you could objectively miss hearing what these do. I've moved on though. They're in. They're staying. And now I'm focused on the next revelation--Jack Bybee's Quantum Purifiers.

There is an article listed above on auditory phenomena that just insults the intelligence of anyone who may read it and consider it's claims. It's intent is to challenge all of us who think we hear a difference with a certain tweek or product, that really what is happening is that we moved a few inches. Oh my! Now I know. Now I know on a deep psychological level what a know it all is. Sick. These are the people who whisper inside their head all day long how stupid everyone around them is--how necessary it is for their presence in our lives, or we'd all go headlong over the nearest cliff. From that reading, I think it is clear now that you guys are accusing, guess who? Yourselves! It is you, in truth, who are living and thinking just as you're told and unable to think on your own and try that which may challenge your current paradigm. And, yes, you might fail and look foolish, but at worst you've saved yourselves from stagnation and putrefaction. Instead, Johnny, Fiji, and Tiny, close themselves up and shut themselves in. You guys would give us the same obsolete products, repackaged with new name over and over again--nothing new. Let Ted be the industry fool for now. Wait till these types of products are completely understood and the engineering and production techniques mastered. You'll see...... Huge bass traps and sound panels are going to be a thing of the past. They were good while they lasted but are now.....OBSOLETE. Throw em away folks and bring back in what is actually natural for your listening room. How about a nice framed picture to look at instead of gray polyester?

I was tempted to be clever and write for you, Fiji & Johnny what I know you'll write back, but no, that would be too close to mirroring your mentality. I just wanted to reciprocate a little help to the only person who gave me any encouragement at all here. Thanks Aslan! Keep on cutting and pasting as that review is actually not a bad piece of writing.

Hahahaha OMG now the classic mental midget has come back.........Hi Melancholy nice to see you. No not really I was hoping you had finally taken your meds but I see you are still as looney as always. :)
Well of COURSE you recommend the bass station that would mean more people would buy more of Ted's CRAP. Tweeks NEVER make the sound worse btw did you know that? Hahahah yeah funny how the more you add the better it gets (sarcasm)

"There is an article listed above on auditory phenomena that just insults the intelligence of anyone who may read it and consider it's claims. It's intent is to challenge all of us who think we hear a difference with a certain tweek or product, that really what is happening is that we moved a few inches."
Melancholy, you just tried to make fun of one of the BEST explanations as to why people like you hear what you hear but then some people NEVER accept ANY explanation because that would mean that they made a MISTAKE and spent all that money for nothing lmao.
Yes please do keep coming back and giving suggestions as to what to buy. We find it oh so funny to read what you spend your money on instead of getting the mental help you so much need.So you kept the ART system because it's just perfect BUT you are NOW trying the Jack Bybee's Quantum Purifiers? Hahahaha I see you are on the typical Audiofool's never ending quest for the "Audio Holy Grail" good luck with THAT!
As for the rest of your ramblings, I just shake my head and go "Wow he's really about to lose it all" Me thinks you aren't the BEST person to make Ted's foolish products look like a winner friend. Seriously like we suggested way up the thread. GET SOME HELP!
Nice to see that Aslan talked you into wasting your money, now go buy every audio tweek that's sold online okay? You'll NEVER be happy until YOU do.

Cool your jets, thou whose mind is lost to Fiji. I don't deny the phenomena, only that you manipulate the theory as if it explains everything regarding what we hear. You don't think I can readily see what moving my ass a few inches does? or moving equipment? furniture? Opening a window?......whatever (all referring to room)...... vs. a change of power cord, change of component, ART, Bybee devices....& again whatever (all referring to system)? My, are you missing out. Yet if you would have left yourself ignorant of what's out there, over and beyond what you own or can afford (or understand), you'd enjoy your music as ever. I near wish I was able to go back to my own ignorance. Honestly, I had no idea audio could be this controversial and vitriolic in the my-way-compared-to-your- way discussions. Personally, I don't care what you have or what you do, except that some of it may help me, if I only knew.

My wife's opinion is the most objective I've come across, as she tends to loathe that I have spent what I have spent on my system. Yet she acknowledges these as the most obvious improvement of what I've chosen to modify or add.

Good call on your last line. It was actually going in that direction, but I realized something of life in the midst of my quest. We'll never get there (in my defense, didn't I say, but not fully realize, that a long time ago up above?), but what else can we do but try? Simplistic, but it goes deep. I am now more detached each day--a kind of undoing of all the determination to find what, in truth, cannot settle enough to ever be found. EVERYTHING MOVES DOWN HERE--CHANGING ALL THE TIME, except you Fiji. Everything and everyone, except you Fiji. You're already there--nowhere.

And Lo it came to pass that Melancholy did buyeth much silliness and his wife smote him with her staff and rod and the monthly Credit Card bill but yet he still buyeth in abundance that which WE the wise do not speaketh of by name for it is FOUL and DECAYS the mind.
BUY YOUR MEDS DUDE!
Thanks for saying that I've built my audio foundation upon the rocks and not the sifting sand as other foolish ones have :)

melancholy don't allow BEVIS and BUTT HEAD get you down. Just ignore them or talk to them in the only language they understand or get while at their night jobs at the Dollar Store. Back to ART I agree on the Bass Station, pretty trippy how it effects low freq and cleans up the mid range and highs. Have you tried a Vibratron with a Bass Station in place? They work together and seem to enhance each others effects. 

Ethan *cough* Fijiji5555 do enlighten us all with your vast background in acoustics and acoustic mesurments. As promised another link to the review of ART.


http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

Why hello you two idiots Dumb and Dumber BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! So I guess it's down to name calling on here according to MR KNOW IT ALL and his LIL Brother. Asian you are such the comedian, don't quit your day job kissing Ted's ass xD Oh so anyone working at the Dollar Store is fair game for ridicule? So hard working people are objects of scorn? Versus you and your ART ass kissing I'd say the Dollar Store people are way ahead of you Asian!
I see you are urging Melancholy to buy more and more of the ART Crap system. Not a dealer or affiliated with the company huh? Yeah yeah you keep saying no but then why keep coming back here to talk to people that only show up about once a month? You getting a kickback for refering people? Yeah yeah blah blah blah I'm sure you response will be as dumb as always.
You still think Fiji is Ethan? LMAO what a bigger dumb ass you are buddy.Fiji and I can tell you a lot about acoustics and measurement and already have in the posts above dating back to 8 months ago. I'm sorry to say you haven't read any of the links and learned a damn thing by your attitude.Keep on doing as always you never change you SHILL.

Fiji, when and how did you ever get the impression that I put my family in debt through all of this? Is that unfounded conclusion necessary for you to jam your point down my throat? Actually, debt is where I absolutely draw the line. I don't trespass beyond my means. I don't even have a credit card. It's all paid for, though currently I find myself in a pickle awaiting a repair bill for my amplifier. Also, I'm not in trouble with my wife at all. Sorry for giving that impression. We both tend toward extremes in materialism and spirituality and have had to divert paths in a couple of areas regarding what inflames our passion--a mutual agreement to live and let live. We have an understanding, and we keep ourselves out of trouble financially by keeping our appetites on a tight leash. Our little one is beginning to have needs that take precedent over all of it, so I've taken audio about as far as I may. Glad to have gotten the chance to have a taste of what's out there, but was ready to end it anyway as it wasn't quite as good I'd hoped. I was admittedly idealistic, and had to redefine what is a relatively good result in a more down to earth manner. Truly folks, there are a lot of very good products out there that will change the sound of your systems for the better, but my gosh, who said that any of it would ever make you happy? When I am experiencing that emotion though, watch out! That stereo is going to be turned up and you will hear my voice attempting to keep up. I think here may be the overlap/agreement for us all. If you don't agree, God bless you, but also may God help you because you are losing in a game of shells, i.e. game of life. Pay attention when you spend six months looking forward to something, then finally get it, and then end up feeling let down by the next day or two. Matter will readily connect with your emotions but no higher. True and lasting happiness is a spiritual phenomena, and has nothing to do with emotion and matter, though it paradoxically can light down upon those at any moment.

This is where I think Fiji judges me in need of medication. Really Fiji? You honestly can't follow my thoughts? Eccentric and intense, yes indeed. 'Fanatical' is about the worst accusation I've had to endure as of late. But crazy? No one has ever accused me of that. However, relative to YOUR 'sanity' (what you display here anyway), I'll readily (& proudly) admit to being INsanity.

Aslan, greetings! To answer your inquiry, yes I do have the complete system. Actually I went ahead and bought three more satellites (six total). Two go to the first order reflection points on the ceiling, suspended from imbedded magnets. And two go to the back wall and window behind me in addition to the standard set-up addressing only side wall reflection points. Pretty cool effect at this point. My system is near as good as my headphone set-up in terms of resolution, and quite superior in terms of soundstaging, overall tonality, and emotional pull. I've got some other ideas going on in my room as well to augment the ART system, though there is no way I would share that in the presence of know-it-all tyrants.

Before my amp failed, I did something that seemed to change the sound of the room quite a bit. This may end up being the simple tweak I was hoping for that anyone could do. May also be that I was congested, and my ears were disoriented that evening. As promised above, I'll share it for Fiji's sake if it ends up being anything worthwhile. As for now, my amp is in New York, and I'm listening through headphones.

I will say this, Aslan, after reading your last post. I agree with you that the true identity of this person/ these people seems rather obvious, but there is no proof. It's a serious allegation because if it's true, the inescapable conclusion is a seething indictment against a man trying to save his own ass by stabbing another in the back. I prefer to leave it unspoken. Let people see what they see in all of this and draw their own conclusions. I will say this much as I've said it already up above. Johnny, Fiji, and now Tiny have remarkably similar writing styles. Even more remarkable is the similar style in which they hurl their insults. Whether or not they are one and the same, or connected with a particular company, I'll likely never know. But hey, I don't care. Honestly, I don't care what any of you think or who you are beyond how it may help me. I mean really, this is the net. What is it's underlying intention?--sharing information. Who are any of you people to me beyond black type on a white screen?--again information. It's the unwarranted and unprovoked fight behavior that is so intolerable to me and the foundational intention that we all should uphold and agree upon--SHARING information. And sharing implies politeness and etiquette. Even the word debate, at least, implies etiquette not "BUY YOUR MEDS DUDE!" tit-for-tat insult tactics. And yes, to all, I admit that I somewhat lost it here and stooped to the level of these characters when I should have just ignored their presence. ALAS, TOO LATE! LET'S FINISH WHAT'S BEGUN. THE END CAN ALSO BE A NEW BEGINNING.

As Fiji and Johnny seem to love the way of the ox goad, I'll include these last rants fanning the flames toward an end and hopefully prodding them headlong over that cliff just yonder they think they're saving us from. Fiji, Johnny, this thread is dying, of your consumption. I came here seeking, and you came here devouring. This thread is now baron of useful information. You chewed it all up and what remains is your shit. Yet you stay to keep digging in it, pausing to throw it in our faces, yet you yourselves still remain......for what? Hoping to accomplish, what? What explains the rabid wilderness mentality? (Picture me now in a windblown dirt-scape trying to orient myself so as to leave this place, as you laugh throwing your @#$# in my face just when I clear one eye, then you go back to your mysterious work). What is it then when you speak in the name of science yet don't follow it's basic definition?--what was the initial intended topic of this thread? How people spend their money? Umm, no. Psychology? Nooo, that ain't it either. Audio tweaks? Oh no, I forget. Science? Uh, no, for sure not quite that. Psychology? Already said that! Chaos hodgepodge say what you will/ kill em all forum? That's It! Nah, there was something specific that brought me here, and I remember now, WHO HAS ACTUALLY HEARD SYNERGISTIC RESEARCH'S NEW PRODUCT, ACOUSTIC ART, AND WHAT DO YOU THINK? Ah, I can see again and have found the way out. Aslan, what we came here for does not exist here. Let's move on. This place has become the abode of some other intention and there's no way to get ours back. Someone should really wipe out this whole muddy foul smelling blog to start over with a good judge/moderator.

This is a good 'The End' for now, but Fiji, one last. I'll hit you again with the goad-harder. Now run, you miserable son, run......not that way!......this way.....my absolute bulls-eye hits for MAJOR improvement where these: Acoustic ART, Bybee Quantum Purifiers, Stillpoints under everything, Marigo VTS Tuning Dots + CD mat (now indispensable), PS Audio power conditioning, OCC copper cords, and silver interconnects. To a lesser degree, yet still completely without regret, a Schumann resonance plug, ERS paper, and separation of power from the mains box outside.

JohnnyR / Fuji5555, and who ever else you pretend to be to support your army of ONE,
"Why keep coming back here..."

Why? Because I OWN THE SYSTEM. It is the FIRST room treatment system that I can have in my living room and STILL GET LOVE FROM MY WIFE. Perhaps this is your problem- are your married? Do you have a wife? A girlfriend? For that matter why do YOU keep coming back here? What is YOUR AFFLICIATION? Why are you so OBSESSED with the ART System. You don't post ANYWHERE else on audiojunkies.com yet you post here week after week, after month and anytime anyone has anything positive to share you post DOUBLE, TRIPLE AND YOU ARE ALWAYS AN ASSHOLE!. I left for SIX MONTHS. Never looked at this site as I have a wife, kids, other hobbies, I like people, small dogs- you know A LIFE (no wait it's obvious you have no idea what that is). Really I have not met anyone so pathetic as you posting under different names and making up new people who post as you always post since public high school where A holes were the norm. Are you in High School? I'll bet you are.

BTW you only created your account to post to THIS thread and you have been posting here NON STOP for almost ONE YEAR NOW! WHY!? Do you have a LIFE? If not an industry SHILL for a competing brand of butt fugly room acoustics then you must be a real GRADE A LOOSER!!!!!! Actually no need to speculate on your status as something I would scrape off the sole of my shoe as you have shown yourself to be just what you are- A LOSER.

As always:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

melancholy,
Great post. Me and a buddy were howling with laughter picturing you in a surreal wind swept dust bowl with dead trees and devoid of life, trying to get the dirt out of your eyes with the IDIOT TWINS rolling around in their own filth stopping only long enough to heave a pile of their favorite play toys in your face and returning to their "mysterious work". Classic.

You are of course correct about this place- the review link above has a comment section where the IDIOT TWINS have already reared their ugly heads (you can almost smell their breath) but it is moderated and their are like minded people there who can likewise chime in. Stereophile and AudioCircle also have discussion threads (though Stereophile had to lock one due to the IDIOT TWINS but another took its place) where we can share our experiences. I'll add that after all was said and done Ethan was banished to his room, with out supper or dessert. It seems his Mommy allows him a computer where he has found a new place to play.

Also are you going to RMAF? I'd love to see you there.

Melancholy you speak about spirituality and God YET spend money on trivial things when it could have gone to helping others? You speak of waiting for that special material item only to be let down when you do get it well guess what maybe that's the reason. You just want material things to fulfill you when you KNOW what it is you seek so get over yourself and get on the path God wants you on already.
Hahahaha you think I'm Ethan you and Aslan both. Keep thinking whatever you want. Myself and others think you and Aslan and a few others who don't post here anymore are company shills for Ted so big woop pat yourselves on the back and keep posting your silly "reviews". Yes those with any common sense will never buy into this fake world of scams and fraud. I think you SHOULD accuse Ethan of posting here and see what he says. Lmao I'm sure it would get interesting.
My God Melancholy look at the list of audio "tweeks" you bought or will buy at the bottom of your post. That's just sad. Seriously stop spouting about being so spiritual when you are so caught up in this material crap so much. Looks like you substitute your belief in God for belief in audiophile products trying to sooth your inner child. Yes you DO need help but then the person who does never can see it himself. Your posts drone on and on and wander about everywhere and use "pretty" words that are so pompus and .........ugh.
Hey if you don't like me talking the way I do then just don't read my posts. That's simple no? Anyways I know I can never reason with you or Aslan but goading you is still fun hahahaha.

Aslan if you have EVER bothered reading the posts above you would see why I keep coming back here. I want others that are gullible to NOT fall into Ted's trap of buying this stupid junk-science system that does NOTHING. PERIOD. Yes my goal is to warn others contemplating buying this silliness to see just what sort of people they are dealing with and the "fanboys" that follow them along kissing their asses :)
You post nothing positive just the same old tired tripe and lies from 8 months back.Nice try at goading me with your simple snide insults about my love life and friends and what I do and who I am. yes I have a good life and no it's not spent on here all day long as you seem to think. It only takes a few minutes to type a reply to people like you who get their panties in wad when they get called out for being idiots. So go ahead and taunt me I don't mind :) I know what's real in physics and science and what is a scam and fraud and kept going on and on and on by people like you.
I will close by saying that my you sir are the LOSER and FRAUD and since you are being so open about words.........you are a complete asshole and shit for brains and that about wraps up my thoughts about you and your lifestyle. Yes please keep posting that link you ass kissing loser bitch that has stake in Ted's crap company :)
You think I have posted at that link? Hahahahah oh my that is funny stuff. Let me tell you silly boy that there are plenty of others on the internet that think like we do so I had no reason to add my thoughts to already well thought out responses to that review! :)
Keep shilling boys keep shilling and posting your moronic thoughts. My friends howl with our own laughter reading your mind numbing ideas :)

Allow me to retort:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

My retort xD

Wow did YOU forget YOUR MEDS and split into your alter ego?

Again- WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING HERE FOR ALMOST ONE YEAR NOW? Why do you feel it necessary to attack people who share their findings for this product? NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO BUY ANYTHING HERE. Your claim to help people who can't think for themselves (according to you) is not welcome nor is it warranted Dear Leader. Your RUDE RANTS have positioned you as THE ASSHOLE of the on-line audio community and barred you from most on line discussion boards. I was especially amused while reading your rants against another acoustic product you don't understand on the Martin Logan forum. At the end of that you were the ASSHOLE no one wanted anything to do with and the thread was shut down.

Here is just a sampling of the SUPREME IDIOT TWIN on the Martin Logan board:

"There are no unknowns with audio. Everything has been understood fully for approaching 100 years"

"Yes, exactly. I mean, other than magic, what other explanation could there possibly be?"

"Agreed fully. And to be perfectly clear, I don't doubt that Gordon really heard a change. Perception is fleeting…"

"I don't think those things are large enough to have any affect at any frequency in a normal size room"

"magic speaker wire has been invalidated by many more people"

"I know that all things audio can be easily identified and measured"

"I'm merely saying they could have gotten the very same results with 16 gauge wire. Or maybe 14 gauge if the wire is long enough to justify the thicker gauge"

And here are a few responses from Martin Logan users in response to attacks from the IDIOT TWIN when they shared their findings with other Martin Logan:

"This isn't meant to be rude - just real. Don't get so certain you are right about everything because you believe in certain parts of science…"

"So you are clearly saying that what I and the other person heard was imagined and not real".

"I stand by my previous post regarding your credibility and God complex. This is clearly reinforced by your other posts".

"I've about had a belly full of your holier than thou / know it all attitude. You don't have the slightest idea what my room sounds like IN TOTAL"

"How dare you question my hearing and my integrity"

"You have no idea what else I have in my room that would impact the final sound but yet you appear to have the ability to make a summary judgement absent this knowledge"

"I have had numerous folks with high end systems, musicians who play in the Grand Teton Summer Music Festival, and other folks who are talented enough to play piano and guitar come listen to my system"

"You remind of some religious right zealot who pontificates and judges because they think they can"

"So please take your God complex and push it down someone else's throat. Pompous, arrogant people like you are part of the reason that high end has such a bad name in the general public"

"In your case, the messenger, and his attitude, need to be shot"

Here is a link to the discussion:
http://www.martinloganowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2882&highlight=synergistic+research+acoustic+art

And as always:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

Wow Aslan you're true alter ego is showing and so is your stupidity. Fiji explained a long time ago why he comes on here but it's you that keeps blah blah blahing with your childish rants when you can't come up with a good rational explanation as to why you keep coming here yourself lol

You keep refering to Fiji and JohnnyR as the same person and also claiming they post on those other boards when you have no proof at all and it just makes you look rather silly to be honest. I suppose I'm also those other people according to you. Wooooo now you are sounding a bit crazy. You seem to think that they are the only people in the world who could possibly disagree with your beliefs or in this case your outright scams.You are beginning to look like a desperate looney but that's probably a good thing since that will show the world what sort of people buy the ART system. Why don't you confront Ethan as requested and see his response? Afraid you might be wrong?

Melancholy, the reason you want this thread closed down isn't for ethical reasons, it's because this thread is one of the top results when you Google "Synergistic Research Acoustic A.R.T. System" and it's a thorn in Ted's side when people read these. I find it amusing. You can't censor free speech like they do at Stereophile.

And as always:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

Thought I would help you out Aslan, I also like people reading the comments posted after that article filled with pseudo-science lol

Hey thanks for the Martin Logan link Aslan I just spent the last hour reading through it. I fail to see any resemblance to Ethan's style of writing and Fiji or JohnnyR's to be honest. I found it refreshing to see how well Ethan could calmly repspond to those that got angry just because he stated some scientific facts lol Gordon Gray got his knickers in wad over the anal probe comment even when it wasn't even directed at him but to another post! Haha funny stuff. Tonepub was an asshat to be honest.
Gordon Gray didn't come off sounding to well informed in my opinion. He stuck some dots on his windows which cost over $600 then proceeded to say they cured all his acoustic problems and that was that. His word against whoever. I did find the folowing link rather amusing th9ough as to uses of said dots. Melancholy will have to try these now and spend more money ;)


http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue2/carymods.htm

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Iss...igovtsdots.htm

http://www.marigoaudio.com/vtstuningdots.htm

http://www.musicdirect.com/products/...=MARIGO%20LABS


Wrapping things up I found it revealing how easily those on the Martin Logan site got angry and insulting when anyone questioned them on showing some real facts instead of opinion on tweeks but that's nothing new.

Just reread your posting Aslan. You skim off choice quotes from the ML link and they STILL make Ethan look generous and calm while the rest are frothing at the mouth haha. Way to go showing how your intent backfired.Oh and I noticed that Ethan still posts there and is a welcome member and respected. Funny how that worked out eh?

What misunderstanding! BALANCE IS WHAT I'M SEEKING HERE BECAUSE WE TRULY ARE NOTHING HERE IF WE WANT TO BE ANYWHERE. I have a body that moves--needs to move. I have a mind that thinks--needs to think. I have an ego that wants--needs to want--everything, everyone, and all else beside that. I have a spirit that's simply trying to find its way back home. Yet where's that? What's that? Everywhere, everyone, everything, and also nothing. FIJI, I understand the retort. It's valid as far as it goes, but you still do not comprehend what I'm trying to express. Or do you? And are you just trying to entangle me in my words so as to win the argument on your own terms in accordance with your own selfish ethic. Further, I do what's in front of my face to do. Believe me, if you get this, that will be enough. I was once a religious do-gooder, yet couldn't help but notice that I wasn't objectively helping anyone--just convincing the ego that I did my part. And GOD said bullshit, you are to do my part.

Anyway, my thought of the day is Ted. Never met him though I've spoken with his partner over the phone. He was a gentlemen and it was easy to recognize that it's beyond skin deep. The folks who sold me my system, however, were slickly dressed sports car driving charlatans. I was TOTALLY ignorant of the industry back then (ten years ago). What I do know of Ted and his company makes me think he may be a kindred spirit. Fiji, have you ever gone after something so hard and fast that you only realized too late that you spent yourself before your time?--i.e. burnout. This idea Ted had, expressed in the ART system, was born of a sober realization about this industry. For all the hither and thither, all the money, all the blah blah, it is still stagnating. Yet that is where his heart is. What to do? He let go. Just let it all go. He's earned my respect just for the balls to even attempt sailing around the world. I've done quite a bit in my life, and I still can just conjecture what that must have been like. Then he comes back and begins his work anew with a completely reworked product line that is quickly earning everyones respect. He's got a place, assholes, and he got it by earning it, assholes. And I suspect that if he sticks with his idea, well, my position here will grow stronger and stronger though I will have long since departed.

I'm beginning to wonder. Do those who seem near imprisoned in their left hemisphere perceive life (of course sound is closer to the topic) in a different way than those in love with their right hemispheres? My secret lies in the heart. It knows what to do with those two. Make em equal. Make them none, and one when you need them. Then set them in their proper place--the heart-- to learn some lessons about life. Music never sounded so good, but it's better, unfortunately (the expense!), with ART, Bybee Purifiers, Stillpoints, etc.

Aslan, you would never catch me at a trade show. Too much like our Zoos and museums in the way of aesthetics. A rather dreary and negative situation made to look BEAUTIFUL! WONDERFUL! Don't misunderstand. It's not the gear exactly nor most of the people. The problem is that it's too much hype when the greatest lesson learned through the industrial age should be that it hasn't exactly take us that far--humility. Also, It's the people in power--the people in money. The prestige attachment to all that goes on would turn my stomach. This is where It's my turn to be an asshole. People are what they are and may be what they are. Who cares as long as my own existence is not threatened nor someone else minding their own business--again live and let live. It's when they try to be something they're not, pushing us down that they may perceive themselves higher, that I either have to leave or fight. Telling me what I hear vs what I hear does not bring us to the truth. There is, as of yet, nothing that great out there. And so long as money is the driving force, the true genius of the world will never get his idea out to change the current paradigm. I know this. I lament this. And I won't wast time trying to convince myself it may not be true. I can't prove my intuitions, nor do I ask for a following. I just know when I personally have to leave. I don't really take part in society anymore, yet I'm always out there. Balance...

One last for Aslan. Tiny's challenge about Ethan is absolutely valid. I warned you that there is no proof, and so to be cautious and let people think for themselves. When someone is willing to lie, run away! You can't compete. They will be Superman to your Spiderman--always one up in other words. It gets worse because no one likely will know they're lying but you, and the average person is swayed this way or that based on some conditioning or bias. Now you've opened the door to further attack, and they may win. Though I follow your whole case, I can only say this on your behalf. You have met or spoken with Ethan when you bought his acoustic panels, no?

Tiny, your not as smart as you think you are. I follow your line of thought, but you're wrong. Free speech is great. And it works so long as there are certain rules that all adhere to. Basically it amounts to a choice of speaking as a man vs. speaking as a beast. A shepherd is necessary to keep the flock, both from it's own disorder, but also from the havoc wreaked by wolves. This analogy is absolutely sound, so ponder. I would write it all out for you, but I'm already glaringly verbose.

MY POSITION ON ALL THAT HAS COME OUT HERE CAN BE SUMMED UP IN THIS: I HAVE NOW HAD A TASTE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE, AND I NO LONGER WANT ANY OF IT AS MUCH AS I DID WHEN I STARTED. IT DOESN'T LIVE UP TO THE HYPE ATTRIBUTION. BUT TO BE TOLD ART, A POWER CORD, OR WHATEVER ELSE, DOES NOT EFFECT THE SOUND WHEN I CLEARLY HEAR THAT IT DOES IS A KIND OF TYRANNY THAT I FEEL COMPELLED TO FIGHT. ESPECIALLY AS THE TYRANTS SPEAK IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE YET WON'T EVEN CONDUCT AN EXPERIMENT. Children argue like that. Wonder where the metaphors about shit come from in my statements? I grew up with my mother's day-care. You guys take me way back. What memories!

Melancholy as always you find a way to take a 1 minute reply and turn it into a 10 minute wandering silly speech.

Nice way to talk yourself into believing you are doing God's will be letting go and spending money on your self.

You never spoke to Ted just his partner over the phone and that was enough to convince you that they weren't liars lol Maybe the CIA could use your built in magical abilities to ferret out truth tellers or liars over the phone. Melancholy, you are very gullible but then that is shown by your purchases and willingness to believe just about anything that comes willy nilly in your direction. Ted sailed around the world big deal. That makes him skilled in acoustics, that and visiting some oriental people or so he says. Anyone can give a good speech and be convincing when they are trying to sell you something, Turn on the charm and smile just so. They are called snakes and sell snake oil.You prefer not to get a real education but rely on others to hook and reel you in with their "explanations" and "spiritual ideas". Anyone that thinks Ted is a scammer is called an asshole? That's sad.

Lastly I find your holier than thou attitude sickening like you are so full of wisdom and ethics and we "lowly" realists are just beasts in your eyes. Try putting some of that relgious fervor into examining your own life before pointing fingers. Yes your obtuse wording gets on my nerves this isn't Philosophy 101. Try speaking like a normal person please don't tell me you speak like this in person.

Wow you don't get worked up much do you? Spouting like a rabid dog at the end with your lines in all CAPITALS. You're a sad case.Acusing us of not conducting and experiment when you wouldn't know a volt meter from a parking meter. Tyranny? For God's sake this isn't the US Constituition we are debating haha.Try LEARNING some science dear boy and open your own mind to the wonders of REAL ideas and FACTS.

No, wrong again, so here again. You have a problem with the way I communicate? Now at this point, with all the above, that's weird. Ever heard of the word hypocrite or its synonyms? I've stated previously that I simply came here looking for info on ART in the way of those who have had the oportunity to have a demonstration. I wasn't looking for a sales pitch for and definately not a vitriolic tangle of snakes hissing against. When I found myself amongst a pack of wolves (you guys aren't snakes, you're wolves), I tried to convince you that your way of communicating was not helpful and actually wrong by any current standard of morality we common folk uphold. Now you accuse me of what you yourselves are so much more guilty?

One of my agendas in writing the way I do is somewhat selfish--I love to write. I like to show that what is simple on first glance may actually have a lot of depth. Works in reverse as well. I like to show how everything is constantly spilling into everything else. Why? How? I constantly examine my own life, and yes I do tend to talk this way on such topics. I've behaved in the past as you guys are doing. A true peace lover quickly learns the more successful way though. I could have given myself permission to do anything here. There's no ethics governing this forum. I chose to be moderate and so moderated myself. Believe it or not, I have never been a part of any other forum on any topic. I write for myself and share with my wife, no one else.

Another goal, and this is the funny part, was to goad you because the more you all write the more it's obvious to all who venture into this hole what is actually going on here. At this point, even if it's not true, your heat seekers have simply turned themselves around. You are f%^$d! Live by the sword of your mouth, now die by it. The accusers accuse themselves. You employ tactics that are mean, rude, self agrandizing and just wrong. Loud mouths are suspicious. Why so loud? Everyone is asking. Must be a reason. Mmmmmm, I wonder. Personally, I still wonder. I don't know what's going on here in truth--why so angry, why so loud? I would never venture out speculating on a man, with his career in my hand, risking that I may be wrong and so wrongfully accuse an innocent. I spoke of Ted this morning because I have viewed his blogs on another site, and intuitively find him a real gentlemen--a class act. You say the same of your impressions on Ethan. Again, the word hypocrite. But again and again and again, why should I care in the first place about either of them? They are not going to be my friends. I wanted information here, and got nothing but insults, and no info. You set yourselves up as teachers, yet don't teach. Why? You should try the stupid gizmos then come and explain with your science brains why they work so as to help the competition, not the forgone conclusions of a know it all. This forum is about sharing experiences we garner in our very complex hobby, to help each other. You violate that basic intention with your every word.

I doubt you'll be able to convince anyone of anything from now on in this thread. Because anyone who may be someone has a heart with their brain in tow and could easily see what I've been spinning with my words. Seems arrogant, I know. Fanatical? I already know. Crazy? Yes, even crazy. But you are exposed and only a fool would feel safe in your company, Fiji, Johnny, Tiny. I'm done. By all means, keep posting! Thank GOD this is at the top of the list on google. MANY people can now make an informed decision to try or not. IF YOU WOULD JUST AT LEAST TRY THE SALAD BOWLS FOLKS! YOU'LL SEE......and you can send them back if you don't agree....

The caps at the end of my last post where for the attention deficit who read too quickly to comprehend. There are some words that just need to stand on their own, apart from the blah blah. I'm not rabid as you say Tiny, quite relaxed and contemplative actually. Yes, ironically, though nervous at first, this all is now having a calming effect on me. Go figure.

Holy crap Melancholy you admitted to being crazy but that's already old news dude. You talk like someone that's had one too many hits of acid and is living in la la land lmao. Hypocrite is the word for you you looney for just tying crap words to hear yourself type. Go listen to your salad bowls and quit being such a douche.

Melonchaly,
great post(s) but I am afraid you are casting pearls before swine. Hey don't swine like to root around their own shit? Ah yes their mysterious work indeed :) That was just too funny, we almost peed our paints- you know when you laugh so hard you are gasping for breath?

As always:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

As always Aslan you find a way to show how far you have your head up Ted's ass :)

True Fiji, Aslan can taste what Ted had for breakfast not long after he did.

Of all the insults you could have chosen. Of all the insults you already have chosen. This time you call me a douche. How synchronous with my intent! What do think I'm trying to do here?.....Now quit being such a whore, and clean up your act, bitch!

Maybe we should have called you a blathering word tosser then BWAHAHAHAHAHA. I honestly have never read so little from so much Melancholy. You go on and on and on and say nothing is way too many words. Me thinks you think of yourself as one of the great philosophers when in fact you come across as pompous and big winded. My my and you used whore and bitch! Tsk tsk did you have to go look up how to spell it since you would never use such short words in real life hahahahah.

Vanity--A look in the mirror, one moment too long. And eternity is born from falsity. That's really all that's going on here. One man is talking to himself. He needs to instead turn around and look who's behind him.

My humility, or at least allow me to say that I have that intention, has allowed me to come here in the glyph of a circle--a mirror, that you may look at yourselves. Have you not noticed that I don't take any sides? And have you not noticed that I open and close my statements all by myself? Again humility. Yet I get attacked for being where I am because it is not where you are. It is said that it takes one to know one. How else do you think yourself able to see? It is only when you truly can look at yourself that you'll realize you're also looking at me. That which you hate is hung on a cross, and so what remains is in living form. But what have you hung on the cross? And what do you reckon still remains alive, and free to walk away?

Crazy is a relative term. There's the thoughts of Man and there is the thought of GOD--Man's wisdom in shadow of GOD's wise. At this point I'll make a bold statement. What to lose? May help some to fully understand just why and where I'm coming from and why I've stayed so long here when I really, really want to leave. But, alas, do what is front of your face to do, right? You should begin, very soon, to notice some glitches in your lives. Pay attention. You are reaping what you have sown. Think this a void place? Not so, and only nothing is exempt from the will of the Holy Spirit. Want to go? Just because we are discussing electronics, that doesn't give license for all this hacking and tearing at those not like minded. I honestly believe that the way out for you at this point is a public apology to everyone who's faced your onslaught. Remember that in the days ahead. GOD help you If you conduct yourself this way in your personal life.

I'm not alone. There is a whole race of us here. We are nothing to your insistence that all of this is something--empty vessels waiting to be filled. Some show what is the source of evil and some show the root of all good. And both kind agree that Man Incorporated is the Devil incarnate-with bride on back--the loudmouthed & adulterous Whore. You are not the friends and allies that you seem. Would that you could meet, for all can know and agree that shit stinks.

I think the line has now been undoubtedly crossed. You were in my face, and now I'm in yours. We are about to begin another cycle and I don't like merry-go-rounds much. So I thought for one last chance to talk and get one thing, at least, straight.

In other words, what cures the madness born of twin sons, i.e. duality & disagreement? Kill one to serve the other? Create three, as in the case of Fiji, Johnny and Tiny? Or nullify them both, two parallels whose intention is now made to clash, in order to see/ in order to grow. The aftermath is the closest apprehension to ONE that Man may ever know. Now who's that?

The moderator, Fu@$ Off!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Alright, alright, in all seriousness, thank you Moderator. Let me be the first to follow sound advice. Thanks for allowing me to set this example. I apologize to ALL and for all--my silliness, sassiness, crassness and a whole lot of nastiness as expressed in my euphemisms, metaphors, analogies, and smart-ass prose. I meant no harm, and genuinely thought it might do some good here. What I will not apologize for is my fundamental intention for coming here. What was that again? Wooohh, dizzy, I think I can barely see it way up there. Ahh, got it, & here it is, SHARING INFORMATION but more pointedly, WHO HAS ACTUALLY HEARD SYNERGISTIC RESEARCH'S NEW PRODUCT, ACOUSTIC ART, AND WHAT DO YOU THINK?

That was pathetic Melancholy. It's obvious you wrote all the above and badly at that. Learn to speak English like a normal person without all the preachy pretty sermon crap. Better yet just don't post at all. Your mental problems do need some real attention before you end up in the looney bin.

The Synergistic/ Luxman room had easily the best sound and largest soundstage WITH the ARTsystem in place. WO ART the system sounded flat.

http://blog.stereophile.com/rmaf2009/i_hate_when_that_happens/

and as always:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

As always Aslan "Steropile" manages to say very little in substance other than a "gushing" review of costly products ($8000 turntable? hahahah). So where are the MEASUREMENTS that you said Ted was going to have of the ART system? Huh?

Yea thanks for the reminder- I saw measurements and we know what we heard.

Now what?

Now what? Durrrrrrrr......How about a link to said measurements?

Pics or it didn't happen

Hmmmmm pretty quiet from Ted's camp lol where's the MEASUREMENTS???????????????????????????????????????????

Tiny--the thorn in your side (or cancerous mole on your ass), Fiji/ Johnny. Look in the mirror, little one, because "it's obvious you wrote all the above and badly at that." No shit. Thanks for refraining from rebuttal Fiji/ Johnny. It's about time. Seems Tiny is doing the talking now anyway. Smart. BWAWAWAWAWAWA!
-melancholy

"Pics or it didn't happen"?!!! What is emphatically being stated here?--over&over&over&over again? To those who have not tried the ART system, you are encouraged to try it. Even if you should send it back, seems you won't soon forget what you heard (as claimed plainly from ALL those who HAVE heard it). To those who won't try it, yet speak as if they already have in a condemning/ godlike manner, again fu@$ off!
-Moderator

Thanks for following through, Aslan, but you should at least describe the lecture that must have taken place along with the demonstration. What was the nature of their measurements if you cannot find them in print? When you post here, please consider those who are reading but won't waste their time responding. They are as our imaginary friends, I know, but they must be out there. You seem too focused on direct communication with the three-in-one heading for none. Their minds are made up, and they agree--the strongest bond. Please take this only as friendly advice/criticism.
-M&m

Seriously Melancholy just fuck off I can't be concerned reading anymore of your pathetic wandering posts which go nowhere. Your mental state is several bus stops from normal.
Why hasn't Aslan posted any measurements you ask? Perhaps because Ted won't supply ANY. Ted PROMISED measurements way back in January in another forum but nothing ever came from that. He has NOTHING.

Still sniffing glue Melancholy? Sounds like it :/

Hey folks, the link and review that Aslan keeps posting over and over because he thinks you are all too stupid to read it just once was written by Jason Victor Serinus and guess what?

http://www.jasonserinus.com/pages/healing.html

yeah fraid so, he's a nut job also lmao. Now do you trust a reviewer that believes that crap to give an honest detailed review? hahahahahaha good luck with that!

Ohhhhh and also........

"Coordinator of the Bay Area Audiophile Society e-mail network as well as treasurer"

Now where have we seen that audio society before hmmmmmm? lol Perhaps several posts up from another poster on here? Yep they travel in packs of loonies.

Okay Aslan come up with those measurements you saw or be prepared to be ridiculed from hence forth hahahaha.

More noise from the IDIOT TWIN.

"There are no unknowns with audio. Everything has been understood fully for approaching 100 years"

"Yes, exactly. I mean, other than magic, what other explanation could there possibly be?"

"Agreed fully. And to be perfectly clear, I don't doubt that Gordon really heard a change. Perception is fleeting…"

"I don't think those things are large enough to have any affect at any frequency in a normal size room"

"magic speaker wire has been invalidated by many more people"

"I know that all things audio can be easily identified and measured"

"I'm merely saying they could have gotten the very same results with 16 gauge wire. Or maybe 14 gauge if the wire is long enough to justify the thicker gauge"

Link to the above quotes:
http://www.martinloganowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2882&highlight=synergistic+research+acoustic+art

Here you can see Dear Leader and his minions get slapped down from long time denizens on the Stereophile forum:
http://forum.stereophile.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=55469&an=0&page=0#Post55469

Regarding your ASSertion that all cables and amplifiers sound alike, anyone who has experienced the difference quality cables and electronics make in a carefully set up audio system knows your bias. Your raving does little but lend credibility to the ART System.

As to the measurements I saw in SR's room at RMAF, I am sure when they are published you will continue with your pathetic SHILLING as this is obviously a product that keeps you up at night.

For my part I am ecstatic at the performance of my stereo now that I can treat my living room acoustics without your moronic butt fugly fiberglass room treatments.

Here is a compilation of links to mounting evidence in support of the Acoustic ART room correction system from people who have actually HEARD the ART System in action (as opposed to ONE ASS who posts under multiple names, but always with the same myopic voice).

http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2009/the_art_of_tuning/

http://blog.stereophile.com/rmaf2008/101408vivid/

http://www.vineyardsound.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56:rod-io&catid=34:test&Itemid=59

http://blog.stereophile.com/rmaf2009/i_hate_when_that_happens/#COMMENT

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=67104.msg620261

http://baasnotes.com/blog/2009/03/18/event-synergistic-art-system-power-conditioner-and-cables/

http://dagogo.com/View-Article.asp?hArticle=54

http://dagogo.com/View-Article.asp?hArticle=158

Google is a wonderful thing, don't you think?

And as always:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

God lord Aslan you are the complete FOOL. You SAID there would be measurements and all you can keep doing is saying I am Ethan Winer and dredging up all those old tired posts and links about this ART crap over and over trying to make silk purse out of a sows ear hahahahahahaha

Nice try loser boy. Now show us the measurements and stop trying to change the subject. Ohhhhh what's that? Nothing to show yet but but but it's only been since January........TED. LMAO this is pathetic.

All those links have been seen here before but I do thank you for showing people how uneducated you lot are when it comes to science and physics :) Yes Google is a wonderful thing indeed.:)

Posted Tue Oct 6, 2009, 1:07 PM - By Aslan

Wow 17 duplicate posts from Stephan to Zero? Anyway the Vivid / Luxman / Synergistic room sounded awesome. I doubt very seriously that anyone could profess to not hear a marked improvement in the sound of the system with the ART System in place. Perhaps JA can perform some with and without measurements in an upcomming Stereophile review? That would be very interesting along with measurements of conventional room treatments and subjective compairisons and conclusions. For me the cats already out of the bag.

So you didn't get any measurements from Ted so decided to BEG JA for some huh? Hahahahahaha i bet he turns you down lil boy. He will only be willing to go so far to keep his cash cow coming in and putting his neck out like this isn't going to happen.............so once more.............WHERE'S THE MEASUREMENTS ASLAN???????????

Awwwwwwww poor Melancholy missssssed me how sweeeeeeeeettt BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I see that the usual idiot pair of Mel and Asian have been trying a desperate attempt at acting "cool" and "scientific"............nahhhhhh who am I trying to fool with those terms for you two BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Asian must have alzheimers , he keeps posting the same links over and over like a mental feeb. Hey pal just where are those MEASUREMENTS you promised? yeah rite we won't hold our breath.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH great post Fiji pointing out Asian's attempt at getting JA to send him some measurements.........boo hoo lil Asian got busted sucking up BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!! God we all laughed at that post so much please keep posting around the interwebs maybe it will unclog those tubes :)

Melancholy,
The measurement(s) I saw were one of those walerfall graphs but it's Greek to me- not my field. Anyway Ted said they were getting their measurements confirmed by a recognized outside party prior to publishing.

It seems obvious to me that regardless of what measurements are taken, and by whom, that the same people who bash the ART System without any first hand knolodge will do the same with measurements. That's what has me all verplexed. The ART System is the most significant breakthrough for the common audiophile in decades and a few parties are trying to kill it. To squelch it to the point of not wanting anyone to even try it. That's why I am convinced they have skin in the game- they have something to loose. Their fear is palpable. That's why I will keep posting links to the performance of ART and to their words when they post under their real names.

It would also be nice if Stereophile did a little reporting for a change- they have taken a few good first steps with three show reports on the ART System, but they could put this to rest once and for all and do their readership a great service by reviewing something truly revolutionary that nearly everyone needs; as opposed to the same old tired brands and products. Is it any wonder the high end is so stale when they do their best to supress and ignore true innovation?

Fiji5555 wrote (quoted verbatim)

" I am Ethan Winer"

No shit asshole.

Fiji5555 writes above (quoted verbatim)

"I am Ethan Winer"

No shit asshole.

Asian you dumbfuck piece of shit try using BOTH eyes next time you read you sorry excuse for a human being, Here is what Fiji wrote above without being out of context like you like to post things....."God lord Aslan you are the complete FOOL. You SAID there would be measurements and all you can keep doing is saying I am Ethan Winer"
hahahaha you are like Fox News but then I guess they are your heroes the way you take snippets of quotes without including the whole story...........LOSER.
BWAHAHAHAHHA you STILL think me and Fiji are Ethan? You are one deluded paranoid dumbshit buddy let me tell you.
Yes a waterfall graph would be greek to an ignorant person like yourself who never bothered to study real science and physics. Kepp posting your bullshit Aslan we laugh so hard at your pathetic attempts using Fox News jourmalism style hahahahahayhahahahahaha.........oh by the way.........WHERE"S THE MEASUREMENTS?????????????

Spot on JohnnyR!!! Aslan thank you for showing the world your true self. By picking out selected quotes you have joined the ranks of the following, Fox News, GW Bush,1950's Communist Russia, China, and (insert looney name here). You all by yourself have dome more damage to ART's credentials than anything we could have done on our own. By being so vindictive and paranoid towards not only us but Ethan Winer and anyone else that laughs at the ART system, you all by yourself have shown the world what a complete idiot and falsifier you are. Listen, people are smart enough to read the complete forums you link to and what is printed on this thread so PLEASE don't come along trying to quote single sentences trying to make us look foolish when in fact it's obvious that it's you that is loosing your sanity and spouting off rubbish lol You came on here the same time Fiji and JohnnyR did and keep doing so time and time again. You think Fiji and JohnnyR are Ethan and prob me also. Tell you what, I'll start calling you TED from now on since only TED would come on here being so defensive lol Fair enough huh? Get in touch with the real Ted and see how he likes you coming on here being so vindictive and falsifying quotes. Bet he doesn't like it one bit you moron.........have a nice day BTW.

What a laugh- what's the matter did I strike a nerve? Bullies always have the same traits in common. Namely they can dish it out but cry like small children when pushed back. That is exactly how you have purported yourself as you have posted here day after day, month after month, and soon year after year. As angry adolescent boys. Bullies with something to prove. And always the douche bag, always.

Your tactics could have been pulled directly from Saul Alinsky's book- Rules for Radicals. http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/8925/alinsky.htm

So you expect people to feel sorry for you? I have been vindictive? What have you been exactly? Let's have a fun recap of your CRAP from the past SEVERAL MONTHS- here we go!

Fuji5555 created his account for sole purpose of posting to this thread. Prior to this thread I can find no evidence of his posting to Audiojunkies.com. Here is his first post belittling previous posters and his first attempt to derail any creditable conversation or debate beyond your usual Ad Hominem attack date 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

Ermmmmmmmm.............hahahahahah........NO. This is just more , "Hey you know other snake oil companies are making a killing on gullible audiophiles, so why not us too?"

and then in his second post he slams me with this:

ahhhhh Asian has been a member here for 5 hours and 10 minutes and just "happened" to drop by and just "happened" to have heard the above system. What a coincidence.........listen guys seriously please stop beating this dead horse and accept the fact that your products are snake oil and have no sonic benefits what so ever ok? This is my last post on the subject by the way........best of luck fleecing the ill informed and rich :)

Johnny R's first post also an account created just for this thread:

I'm with Fiji5555 on this one. This is a ridiculous concept and anyone with an ounce of intelligence would see through this junk. TLA and Asian sound like the same person to me,and TLA, it's burn someone at the STAKE not STEAK lmao unless you were wanting a dinner. Asian, perhaps if you spent time educating yourself, then you wouldn't have bought into this silly idea but then again I also think you and TLA are just company shills making false claims of being consumers that bought an AAS system. Yeah right.

I really like the "scientific" and well thought out nature of this post from JohnnyR:

ZzzzzzZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZzzzzzzzzzz boring. So me and Fiji555 and whathisname are all the same person? hahahahaha funny stuff dude. But I can bet as soon as I post this someone will reply because the paranoids at ART will be watching this thread like a hawk lmao have fun getting your panties in a wad guys. :) BTW Stereophile will say anything good to get advertisers.

After this it becomes harder and harder to differentiate between Johnny R and Fiji5555

Johnny R insulting everyone:

OMG hello Asian. Nice to see you BACK again. Funny how you show up JUST to plug this crap some more by posting a link to a "reviewer" so it looks more "honest". After reading his review and his other reviews, I can honestly say he's just another nut job that thinks he hears differences from products that can't possibly effect the sound of an audio component. How much money do you get Asian for working for ART? lmao you guys never give up do you?

Well since you aren't coming back to see what I said........how about you bite me? Bwahahahaha. Seriously, if you think your pricey "audiophool" power cords and do dads made your system "better" then please do spend all your money on such foolishness.You came on here to post absolutely nothing worth reading..Good for you big man lmao I think Ted is the one that has some explaining to do but as we all know from the last few months of postings that he NEVER will. How about YOU try being an adult and stop being such a tight assed prick? Lmao deal with THAT

Your wit is astounding Ref3. Please feel free to ignore all logical posts by me and Fiji5555 in the future and PLEASE do buy the ART system instead of building your own room treatments. I'm sure they will love you for it. Oh yes I am so defensive that I had a cow and I had to go see a shrink for help afterward lmao.

Bwahahahahah nice one DrLex :) I'd be happy if they did anything besides sucking the money from the gullible's wallets.

Hey Sound Hound yes I live in a world of absolutes when it comes to science and snake oil salesmen and you can ABSOLUTELY BITE ME. Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Fiji5555 insulting everyone- notice the similar moronic writing style and Ad Hominem attacks:

TLA nice try...judging by your posts here I can see you've only posted two both of which was to me so I still think you are affiliated with the company ......my narrow mind set is based on sound scientific reasoning NOT mumbo jumbo......go have a nice day yourself :)

I find it sad that you still think this ART garbage does anything to improve the sound but then again you also believe your diy power cord also makes your sound better so that just goes to show how deluded you are. It isn't an insult as much as it's just the facts
No, I won't be listening to the ART system because I have much better things to do besides wasting time on this stuff which is pure snakeoil.
Too bad you feel the internet is no longer any use to you.You should use it to find REAL tweeks that work and educate yourself. Say hello to Ted for me, I'm sure he will soon have many more "tweeks" that will only set you back a few thousand more :)

Actually Johnny's BWAHAHAHAHAH's are quite revealing because he only uses them on people who deserve them,

laughed, yes actually LAUGHED when I saw your "proof" as to why power cords work. The link you posted was from the same people that MAKE the products! Well, duhhhhhhhhhhhh of course they are going to come up with all sorts of ideas and excuses and pseudo-science in their explanations.

Yeah I know what princeaple Ted's stuff is working on........it's called the science of the gullible.Listen,if you can't think for yourself enough to know what basic physics and science tells us about how things work in audio then you are DOOMED sooner or later to buy some tweeky crap that doesn't do a damn thing. I've never heard a platypus fart but my knowledge of science tells me that, it's going to be something I don't have to have heard to know what it's gonn sound like.

Now now Johnny, lets not be TOO mean to the little pea brained people that come in here and get into a huff because you "insulted" their "positive" outlook when it comes to trying new things lol

Hey Ted!
Suck it
Hahahahaha!

Here Fiji5555 posts a link to him self and as always, insults:

Ok I stumbled across this link a few days ago and you know what? It probably explains 99.9% of the reasons why "tweaks" do "work" lol Maybe some poor lost Audiophile who spends too much money on cables and other odds and ends will come to their senses :)

http://www.ethanwiner.com/believe.html

Johnny R:

That's a great link Fiji :) Too bad that most "audiophiles" won't believe it though. They are more gullible than the Republicans that voted Bush into office two terms running . Bwahahahahah! What no responses from Ted and Company in wayyyyyyyyyy over a month now? I guess they gave up. I hope they did. Still no frequency or phase responses after allllll this time. What a shocker (sarcasm). Het Ted where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu? Hahahahaa



So you want people to feel sorry for YOU? What an ASS HOLE YOU ARE.

And as always:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

Wow Aslan I think it's YOUR turn to take your meds instead of Melancholy o_0. You ignore all the facts posted by JohnnyR and Fiji about your falsifying statements and quotes and begin a childish rant then you simply repost what they already said a long time ago( to their benefit I might add, they made some good points I thought) then you think they are wanting people to feel sorry for them? Gosh, I think you are losing it big time Aslan ermmm I meant TED haha. So tell me , why do you falsify quotes to make it look like they are wrong instead of quoting the whole thing in context? Could it be because you have NOTHING to add to this anymore except your childish WAHHHHHH WAHHHHHH? Get those measurements from TED and stop acting like a retarded little Glenn Beck. God you are embarrassing yourself in here lmao. They aren't the ones posting a 30 minute speech in here like your last post. Obsessed much with trying not to come across as a moron? Wayyyyyyyyy too late for that. I see you are familiar with Saul Alinsky's book. you must be one of those Birther's and Republican nut jobs. Oh wait at Least I know I got the nut job part correct without a doubt haha. You need some of Jason Serinus' whistle therapy to calm your nerves back down.LMAO

Asian has nothing new to rant about so he keeps posting the same old crap over and over. yep, he's looking like the complete fool that he is Tiny. Hey Asian..........WHERE'S THE MEASUREMENTS????????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA loser boy.
You know I LOVE pulling his chain and making him rant it's so much fun imagining that little vein that's throbbing in his forehead when he reads my posts BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Oops I forgot my link......

as always Asian BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs

I have not nor am I even remotely willing to associate myself with anyone on this thread beyond simple cordiality. Aslan corresponds in a respectful manner, and I return the favor. As much as he sticks with the intention of this thread, I find him somewhat of an ally. In other words, we both share positive experiences with the ART system against those who only prejudge in strange stubbornness, refusing to test that judgement by experience. I would think that one of you, if indeed you are three separate people, would enlighten with the insight that you speak science yet violate the basic definition with every post by refusing experiment. As for Aslan's most recent post of quoting Fiji out of context with the admission that he was Ethan, all I can do is shake my head in sympathy. What a blunder. Can you explain yourself, Aslan? Am I missing something? I guess I go on completely alone from here. But there is really not much more I can say at this time that I haven't said 2, 3, 4 times before. You all have been warned, and now this includes Aslan. There is a change coming, and you will be accountable for your words/ lies that you are holding as truth, no matter how great or how small and seemingly insignificant. You do damage with your words. Remember, the only way out in the days ahead will be a sincere apology and confession-- Why so angry? Why so loud? Think me suffering a holier than thou complex? You completely misperceive at every opportunity to just 'get it' so that we can move on to cover more ground. I'm sure you've heard a thousand times that it takes one to know one. I am watching you from my past. You all seem stuck in a mentality that I left back in my teen years. I mistakenly thought we might get somewhere this time round, so I logged in, stuck with it, till... again.....nothing. So we'll see..

I'll take my three, M&m, Moderator, & melancholy and abide by myself in complete harmony. Kindly note the leader of the pack is truly M&m. Silly, I know, but unfortunately for you the silly analogy speaks. Start thinking, even just a little, with more than your brain. Your hearts can't have completely gone cold to stone. Ask your wives. Ask your children. Let them read all of this--my words and yours--then simply ask them what they think?

Melancholy, finally a post that isn't too full of bullshit as before but still,M&m, Moderator, & Melancholy? That's dangerously close to saying The Father , Son and The Holy Spirit.
Yes we all get hot headed over this silly subject. The reason I do is, I can't stand pseudo-science and putting your faith in the "highend" audio world which let face it consists mainly of way overpriced items and out right LIES. You have to "believe" in a produxt for it work in that world. High priced power cords, higher priced audio cables, cable elevator stands, I mean wtf? Are people so crazy that they actually fall for this snake oil over and over and over? I think it's the power of suggestion and people wanting "something" to believe in no matter how crazy it is. Why is it that only in audio are double blind tests not used? Every other field of research uses DBT as an absolute way to know if something works as claimed. Are the audiophiles gifted with "golden ears" and so divine that they need no actual scientific tests but can soley rely upon their frail human hearing to make judgements on snake oil products? why is it that DBT isn't used in any audiophile high end magazines for their reviews? I know that they claim that DBT is flawed but isn't that ironic that the one test that will show if two items sound diffenrent or not is also the one test that audiophiles shy away from and even claim is flawed while the rest of the world uses them day after day to make sure that what is being made is good? Ask youraself why the high end audio magazines won't use DBT in their reviews. The answer I am sad to say is MONEY. You pay the magazine enough money by taking out ads in their rag and they give you glowing reviews plain and simple. These manufacturers of both good and crappy products use payola to make sure that they get the reviews that send them customers and in turn the magazines sell lots more copy also. If you don't think that's even remotely true then there is no hope for you at all.
That is why I get so angry when I see such things over and over and over. Maybe you do hear a difference Melancholy. maybe it's the power of suggestion also or the power of belief. I have waited for almost a year for real measurements fro Ted and company showing why the ART system would work and for magazines to test them in a DBT method or any measurements for that matter instead of a "gushing, glowing, we know what we heard" manner that is purely subjective or frankly out right lies.Look at what Aslan wrote above.....

"It would also be nice if Stereophile did a little reporting for a change- they have taken a few good first steps with three show reports on the ART System, but they could put this to rest once and for all and do their readership a great service by reviewing something truly revolutionary that nearly everyone needs; as opposed to the same old tired brands and products. Is it any wonder the high end is so stale when they do their best to supress and ignore true innovation?"

Yes it would be nice if Stereophile would do some real tests on thsi product instead of just "listening" and patting each other on the back, but you know it will NEVER happen simply for the resons I stated above in this post......money and the suppression of using a real DBT. Ted hasn't helped himself in the least by not showing any measurements either, oh I meant in the sense help himself morally, financially I'm sure he is doing just fine by dodging the issue.
Ask yourself if pricey power cables, audio cables and tweeks worked as claimed , why wouldn't the amplifier companies just build that into their products from the start and make more profit for themselves? I didn't used to be a skeptic until I started thinking for myself instead of being spoon fed the "knowledge" the high enders want you to believe and also seeing some tweeks that at first seemed plausable just be shown to be complete bull shit later. You can spend the rest of your life chasing after the "audio nivana" the high enders want you to believe in or settle back down to reality and just buy a good not so expensive sysytem that plays cleanly and lets you enjoy what it's supposed to be about in the first place........MUSIC. How many audiophiles listen to their equipment more than the music now? "Oh my cable stands fell down and I could tell the difference"........madness I say.
I would be more willing to believe that Ted's ART system might work if not for his track record of also selling way too pricey audio cables that are "quantum tunneled". That term is so laughable, all he does is zap them using a freaking tesla coil. I suppose that wows the uneducated enough to convince them. When enough reviewers start posting measurements using a solid scientific background and using DBT then we will be getting somewhere. Until then it will always be "us" vs "them" till doomsday. Nothing that Ted sells has ever been tested that way EVER.

Good reply Fiji. Melancholy I still think you are a flake for buying into the ART CRAP and your other posts that ramble on and on like someone on drugs dude lol and as for Asian, he's a complete DICK. Glad at least that you saw through his Fox News style quoting of Fiji as will anyone else that bothers to read through all this shitpile of a thread BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Fiji, that should have been your post about fifty feet up. Finally provoked some passion? That's what I'm about--& now that I look at it, all I care about soever (a glimpse of eternity just narrowly avoiding madness?). Now I can begin to respect you, but I may never log in again. What you have left to consider in me, though, is an unconditioned mind. I was ignorant of this whole dynamic--yours vs., say, stereophile. I simply would have sent the shit back if I didn't perceive benefit. Let me tell you, there's a sound shift with a lot of this crap--it does what it does. You get what you pay for and are less likely to get screwed the more you are willing to pay with mostly obvious exceptions to that rule as always. The question that will answer it for most people is, does it matter? For me, I'm a seeker, can never stop, and I just needed to see. Now I know. It doesn't matter one fucking bit. More shit to think about clouding my happy mind and heart. No regrets though. And who knows, may be that I am enjoying the best attainable sound on earth, by any standard, and no one knows it to include me. Could be any one of us. That's the dream. I am enjoying sound right now--remarkable actually--because it's coming from something not mine that I am now pre-conditioned to be an outright piece of shit. Corrupted with too many choices and too much to think about. Hope this helps to establish some commonality and peace here.

one last to think about--Our hobby is a neurosis of a sort, but it's so obvious that it should speak to the soul the truth of what all our self-willed endeavors are....(do what's in front of your face to do, and I'll see you there.)

This was the only post to which It was true that I was HIGH-mj

Fiji that was a GREAT post and expressed a lot of how I feel also BUT........Melancholy you say "Let me tell you, there's a sound shift with a lot of this crap--it does what it does. You get what you pay for and are less likely to get screwed the more you are willing to pay with mostly obvious exceptions to that rule as always."............that just plain WRONG dear boy. You don't get what you pay for except for the delusion that it' really works because they planted the seed of belief in your mind that it's something fantasical. You ignored what Fiji said about money being the true goal of these snake oil vampires. You bought completely into "the more money you spend the better it gets" philosophy and so are trapped by these leeches.Good luck finding real truth in audiophile land in those high end salons of evil.
Passion? I think Fiji has been passionate from the beginning for stamping out lies but your clouded judgement won't let you see that which is too bad.
Aslan has been absent lately after his latest fiasco of "head up ass" syndrome :)

oooohhh, some of that doesn't read too clearly. Sorry guys. I had to try just once. You have accused me so many times of being on something while I write, I thought I would give you a glimpse of what that looks like for me. Anyway, Tiny, a little more clarity for the sake of peace. Coincidentally, I was already worried about that statement of mine causing a problem. It was way too general to stand on its own. When I stated that you get what you pay for with mostly obvious exceptions, I should have clarified beforehand that it is an accepted given that these toys cost way too much. For those who choose to partake anyway, Increments of benefit are most often separated by $1000- $2000--admittedly ridiculous for a lot of products which don't consist of materials costing anywhere near that. And it's a leap of faith that the company can justify the cost through research and development. What I was focused on was that if you are willing to shell out some money, you'll most likely get something of benefit vs. true bullshit that does nothing. And by nothing, I mean the change/ improvement is so small that the mind can easily embellish to avoid bearing the guilt of wasted money. In other words, I'm trying to tell you that I know what you mean about the mind/ belief connection with audio. Heck, I've practically meditated on this in attempt to isolate the phenomena within myself so that I can more clearly look at it--humility allows one to look at a lot of things. I can't say enough that I totally object to your assumption that what I am clearly hearing is a phenomena of belief. Listen to me on this please, why we are all calm for the first time in months. My listening room is small. Those satellites are not all that far from my head. And I'm telling you that those things resonate in sympathy with the high frequencies such that it sounds as if a tweeter was installed in the wall. It is unmistakable, and that is why I am fighting with all of you so vehemently.

I completely agree that there are a lot of people sucked into buying what they really cannot afford, being led to believe that they cannot enjoy music properly if they don't. Ridiculous, and if you truly understood my intention with what I have written, you'd see that I've been in agreement with you from the beginning on this. Read the first couple paragraphs of my first post.

When it comes to those products highest in the stratosphere of $$$, well let those who can afford that stuff make judgement as to it's worth. For me, that is a wholly different paradigm of living, involving a lot more than just fancy audio gear, and I am not inspired to go for any of it. Let us then stick to debating on what we could personally lay our hands on if we chose to. That's a good point is it not?

The sound of my system has always been good to my ears, and now, relative to where it was before I started, it's very good. Now does going from good to very good justify spending $10,000 over the last two years? Who cares! But admittedly, no, the cost is not reasonable, but I have humbled myself to that realization every step of the way. I simply chose to keep going, finishing what I started. Money is a funny thing, and I don't ponder its mystery over much. I use it while I have it, and don't worry about it when I don't. My family's needs are met, but should they become so great that I can only focus on them, well... I'd use my speakers for firewood if they were too cold.

Words are the bane of my existence. I use so many of them in attempt to be understood more clearly. May be the contra of that last sentence is more true. Still getting to know myself.

I have found it true that so long as money is transcended--made to serve--my intention, that I have enough to do what's in front of my face to do (fundamental spirit of most religions) but also more than enough left over for family and what inspires (music).

"My listening room is small. Those satellites are not all that far from my head. And I'm telling you that those things resonate in sympathy with the high frequencies such that it sounds as if a tweeter was installed in the wall. It is unmistakable, and that is why I am fighting with all of you so vehemently"

If that is true then you are not listening to the recording as it was intended. Having objects that resonate and ring takes away from the original intention of the producer as it sounded on his monitor speakers. It's a gimmick adding false things to what you are listening to if it does anything at all. Remember the quad sound of the 80's? it promised surround sound and a 3D experience when all it did was make a mockery of the artists intent. Actually to hear how the music was intended to sound you would have to listen using the same brand of speakers as it was mixed on hmmmmmmmm? Food for thought.That's why I don't place so much dependence on all the "high end" junk sold. You listen to music in your car right? I'm sure it's not state of the art but you still enjoy the music. Stop obsessing over all the crap out there to buy.

Mel,
My quote posted out of context was meant to be tong in cheek. A kind of tit for tat that was in no way more corrosive then what it was posted in response to. My compilation of posts from the usual suspects should make this point clear. Every poster to this thread who enjoys this hobby and tuning their systems with such products have in no way been shown any kindness or respect from those who hold such practices in painful contempt. You know this as well as I. When we first started posting here it was with good intentions and a desire to have a civil discussion and to share our findings. When that became impossible I grew tired of being shit on and left. When I came back six months later and saw the way people were being treated I switched gears.

Audiophiles this is a letter to you-
I enjoy many hobbies that share similarities to tuning an audio system. One in particular is cooking. I love to cook new recipes, and then tweak them with new ingredients and spices. I have never done this blindfolded nor would I need to. The differences are obvious and so too are the differences (to me at least) between power cords,interconnects, and speaker cables. The Acoustic ART System is no exception. The fact is my system has changed little over the years (save a new pair of speakers) but when my long distance friends come to visit most marvel at its steady evolution due in most part to such "tweaks". To people who don't or won't listen no amount of explanation will get this across, and that's fine. But for anyone to treat us like shit just because we tune our systems with cables and tweaks or because we have a different point of view is unacceptable. For those of us who DO tune our systems guided by our senses, violent attacks and cries that all cables, power cords, line conditioners, isolation platforms and the like are bullshit, snake oil, and so on should only serve to open the door further to the possibility that the ART system may in fact work. After all other more conventional methods that have already shown their merit are likewise being discounted.

fiji5555,
Scroll up- at first you said that the Acoustic ART System did NOTHING (your exact words). Now you are saying, and I quote, "you are not listening to the recording as it was intended. Having objects that resonate and ring takes away from the original intention of the producer as it sounded on his monitor speakers. It's a gimmick adding false things to what you are listening to if it does anything at all."

So which is it? Does the Acoustic ART do NOTHING as you have said over and over again for almost one year now? Or does it do "something"? It seems that as more and more people attest to its benefits you are changing or spinning your tune to forward your real agenda- to discredit the ART System by any means. The only real question is why? I we all know your agenda by now ;)

By the way, all rooms "resonate" the walls resonate, the ceiling resonates, the floor resonates, furniture resonates, pretty much everything in a listening room resonates (why I'm sure your resonating right now Mr. E). So according to your own "logic" if the controlled resonance of the Acoustic ART System is a detriment to sound, what do all those other resonating surfaces in a listening room do to the sound of a system? Ahh I think you are starting to understand. Good luck holding back the flood.

Ooops I almost forgot : )

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

And a new one.
http://www.avguide.com/blog/rmaf-report-speakers-over-20k

Notice how the single most talked about product in a blog about speakers at RMAF costing more then 20 k is the Synergistic Research Acoustic ART System? Or how it transforms acoustics and musical enjoyment? JV even heard it in an audiophiles system in Istanbul Turkey! (I guess the Acoustic ART System is getting around) Perhaps this is not such an expensive "tweak" after all.

Aslan once more you bring to this thread your own way of twisting things around. Did you even READ what you just posted in relation to what I said to Melancholy? ....."It's a gimmick adding false things to what you are listening to IF IT DOES ANYTHING AT ALL."
I added the all capitals for your benefit seeing as your reading comprehension is so bad. I didn't say the ART junk did anything ,that was a response to what Melancholy SAID what he heard. IF what he heard was a like a separate tweeter on the wall next to him, then my response to what he said is true. "if it does anything at all" is still my opinion so what's your problem pal? Still got that cocky chip on your shoulder after showing how much of an ass you are in the above misquotings that we all know wasn't being tongue in cheek.
Wow you actualy know about things in rooms resonating when sound strikes them. Looks like you caught up a little bit on real science for a change. So you think that be ADDIING another resonance to all the others already in the room that that is improving the sound? Haha funny stuff. I think it's pretty clear that you are out of your league when it comes to explaining acoustics. Did you ever find out what a waterfall plot is yet? No, it's not a chart showing how much water flows over Niagra Falls :)
See Melancholy there is no being civil to people like Aslan or getting an apology from him or getting an admission of wrong doing. He's "right" and he "knows" it lol he "knows" that power cords and cables and all the other tweeky crap "works" and there is no changing his mind period. I don't really care what Aslan spends his money on myself because the more he spends on this junk the less he has so who cares? I find it gratifying knowing he wastes his money on foolishness :) Oh sorry Aslan for speaking to Melancholy in my post but frankly you have nothing that interests me considering your blah blah blah same old shit lately. Funny how you won't go away after what 10 months? haha and you consider that I have an agenda, what's your's? Are you adealer or know Ted personaly? Got money invested in this trash? if not then quietly slip away and go enjoy your life of endless money spending on tweeks instead of defending it over and over on here. I myself will continue to warn others of the folly of Ted's ART pseudo-science folly. I can do this a long long long time :) Doesn't that just make your head ache more now Aslan? hahahaha

I just read the latest link from Aslan,,,,,,,,funny how he always seems to know just where to find discussions about ART everywhere online. Couldn't possibly be because he has anything to do with the company or perhaps wrote a few of those "letters" himself..........nahhhhhhhh. Yeah they discussed the ART junk in the comments section alrite, big deal. Just another high end reviewer that never heard a bad cable or power cord lmao funny stuff.
Oh I almost forgot also Aslan.........i mean TED.........WHERE'S THE MEASUREMENTS????????

"The ART System is the most significant breakthrough for the common audiophile in decades"

"and do their readership a great service by reviewing something truly revolutionary that nearly everyone needs; as opposed to the same old tired brands and products"

"I enjoy many hobbies that share similarities to tuning an audio system. One in particular is cooking. I love to cook new recipes, and then tweak them with new ingredients and spices. I have never done this blindfolded nor would I need to. The differences are obvious and so too are the differences (to me at least) between power cords,interconnects, and speaker cables. The Acoustic ART System is no exception."

You sound like an advert Aslan. Perhaps Ted should get a Noble Prize for innovation according to you. Tell you what, submit his name to the committee and lets see how that goes hahaha.

Everyone needs this huh? Oh my how have we all gotten along for so long without Ted's miracle product? Too bad Billy Mays isn't still around to hawk it on TV.

Wtf? Cooking? durrrrrrrr way to go confusing the issue with something not even related. Yes I imagine the ART system isn't an exception lumping it together with power cords, interconnects and speaker cables.,they are all passive components that don't change the sound of an amplifier one bit. :) I like the way you blew off DBT in one tiny sentence about cooking. Laughable but not unexpected from a die hard fruit cake like you.

if I said don't criticise heroin until you've TRIED it, that would be reasonable or constructive?your money?

So you will try Heroin and smoke thousands of dollars of marijuana a year but you will not try the Acoustic ART System? LMAO.

Now might be a good time to reach for those beta blockers Ethan.

http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=11054&highlight=ethan+winer

if I said don't criticise heroin until you've TRIED it, that would be reasonable or constructive?

Fiji5555,
What I, or anyone spends money on should be of no concern to you. That it is of concern, to such an extent that you post almost daily whenever anyone has anything positive to share, and triple when people make good points or post links to mounting evidence in support for the ART System, show you to be an industry insider with a competing product. I know who you are Ethan. You attempt to double and triple post over every positive post for the ART System in an attempt to burry it under a pile of your moronic words. It's not working.

Why am I here? I left for six months (again already stated and clearly evident from the posting record) but where have you been? Here almost from day one posting the same abusive CRAP day after day, month after month, and soon year after year. What will you do when SR publishes measurements? Go away, shut up, anything aside from your typical juvenile rants? I doubt it.

As to you taking a "scientific" stance to the objectivist observations- what, where, and when have you ever made even ONE scientific post to this thread? Scientifically speaking your methods are decidedly unscientific Ethan. Condemning a product or premise without performing an experiment to disprove said premise is NOT the way of SCIENCE. Knowing that something CANNOT work as a basis to NOT perform an experiment that could support your assertion is the way of the ZEALOT. Perhaps in your drug addled mind you are the master of all you survey but when you wake up with the needle still in your arm, or take the bong away from your mouth there is little substance to any of your posts. Just juvinile ranting CRAP.

From the mind of Ethan Winer:

"No shit. Churches are just another private club IMO. Tax their bingo games too while we're at it.

And don't forget the most obvious of all - legalize drugs, especially pot, and tax that. Even with 400 percent tax I'd probably save a couple grand per year.

--Ethan"

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:qKf4rSuggjgJ:thewombforums.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D224369+ethan+winer+ass+hole&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

How does your system sound when you're stoned Ethan?

quote- if I said don't criticise heroin until you've TRIED it, that would be reasonable or constructive?

Yes! Really. I actually tried it once (fairly recently, believe it or not) just to understand what it's like. I was not worried about getting hooked trying it only once, and I was correct.

http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?p=194491&highlight=ethan+winer#post194491

How about Heroin- is that an acceptable tweak Ethan?

So you will try Heroin and smoke thousands of dollars of marijuana a year but you will not try the Acoustic ART System? LMAO.

Now might be a good time to reach for your beta blockers Ethan.

http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=11054&highlight=ethan+winer

Aslan or TED you continue to show Melancholy and the rest of the world your pathetic attempts at being so rational. One thing that might stand in your way, other than being a complete ASS and MORON is your continued insistence that I am Ethan Winter. You are so gullible and stupid that words cannot express completely what a buffoon and dimwit you are. Continue with your Fox News journalism and see how many potential ART buyers shy away from even wanting to try Ted's crap. I'm sure Ted is loving how you instill confidence in his product by acting like a total twat. Have you talked JA into testing the ART system yet? How about getting those MEASUREMENTS that you PROMISED? Hahaha we won't hold our breath :) Please continue your rants and frothing at the mouth, we find it very amusing and entertaining! By the way, I can tell by your continued false postings that you never even bother to read everything I have posted here over the past 10 months so really anything else you have to say here is nothing worth reading either. Have fun being the total twat you are ASSHAT lmao. Wheeeeee this fun, can't wait for your next post :)

I just read the links Mr ASSHAT posted above pertaining to Ethan Winer. He said he tried pot one time and just recently. Sorry Aslan but he never mentioned heroin. No surprise there as your Fox News Journalism and continued lack of reading comprehension has once more shown you to be a dumbshit. Don't quit your day job whatever that might be because you would never make it as a qualified reporter if truth is involved. :)
Hey Aslan do you drink? Smoke cigarettes? Might explain your brain dead contributions here. oops sorry if I jumped to conclusions without any EVIDENCE but hey you know I learned everything about posting false information from YOU the last couple of weeks. :)

oops I made a mistake , looks like Etan did admit to trying heroin once sorry I thought he meant pot. So he tried heroin one time. At least he admits to it and I just admitted that I made a mistake reading about it. Lets all make a list of the things we have or have not done over the past 10 years and send it to Aslan so he can judge if we are worthy or not to listen to music and make opinions lmao. Aslan even in your normal state of mind you are a twat so no worries about making us feel like we are below you even one bit hahahaha.

What's the difference between an ART system dealer and a heroin dealer?

Both take your money but at least with the heroin dealer you buy a product that works

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!

WHERE"S THE MEASUREMENTS ASIAN DUDE????????? WE ARE STILL WAITINGGGGGG

Oh and stalking Ethan all over the internet is sign of a disorder, get some help.

Asian, be man enough to post to Ethan at one of the forums he posts to instead of posting to this little shit thread over and over which he has never seen. I bet you don't have the balls to talk to him in a real forum. If you do so then post the link here hahahaah another "won't hold our breaths".

Holy shit! This is holocaust. Seems I haven't helped matters here one bit & that has been my underlying intention since my first post. I think my next hobby will be to probe the depths (and/or maybe heights, who know?) of SILENCE.

Johnny, reading your last post, that has been my question for all of you for quite some time. You guys seem to have Ethan Winer on the brain! With you & Fiji, it's his point of view as expressed in his articles. With aslan, it's his products, as he regrets spending so much when a better solution is now on offer in ART. (at least for him)

Believe it or not gentlemen, this wrathfulness is the sign of the times. I see this everywhere concerning just about everything. Our "society" is being revealed for what it IS--jungle and wilderness. Yet we've spent the last five hundred years in Mans' best effort yet to 'create' it. Just another tower of babeling I say. And what is the response of the God we pay homage to (who's really not God)?, 'Fuck it, let's just burn it down then and make a dessert!'

The only answer is to let it go. If you solidify yourself, you will be used as kindling.

I do like that we have now included marijuana in the discussion, though. Turns out that WAS a good thing I did in getting high before writing. For me, mj is medicine, helping the inside flow more freely to the outside--letting go. I couldn't put the false face on anymore for you people/ society. If one doesn't fit in, & won't act, then one must let go, and BE. Ironically, I have no enemies that I know of. Not ever actually, save that one dude in the USMC. I never figured him out. So now I'm outcast, but at least I'm true to myself and GOD who created me. I just find myself most often alone, but it's not so bad. Near daily, synchronisity takes hold, and I find myself blathering something that the other person seems desirous of hearing, and not by my instigation either. I've learned not to preach, not to initiate, and to keep my mouth shut until it's clearly mandated to open it, such as here, wherever this is. I just do what's in front of my face to do. Surrounded by people, I have never felt more alone, most especially when we are all talking to each other about what we know--like now. You'll hear that sorrow filled admission echoed more and more from the kind folks of this world. What we seek (validation for our existence maybe?) is not found in others--in the ALL. It's found in ONE--YOU.

Now Fiji, who ever said my goal in audio was to experience the same sound as heard by the recording engineer or musicians? If those people are so narcissistic over the particular sound of their music, what in the world are they pressing it onto CDs for? They should play live exclusively. I am out to please MY ears. If my wife were to partake of listening more often, I would only then compromise toward her personal tastes. Where's the recording engineers and musicians in all of this anyway? For that matter where's the person you're talking to over the phone? Where are YOU? WHO ARE YOU? I think we are all trying way too hard to be friends here--accepted. We don't have to be friends here. It's impossible. Give me your address, and I'll see you soon. Only then could we have even the slightest chance. But alas, impossible then to--it's the times in which we're living, my brothers in audiophilia. Divided to the last. But there's still a leap of faith apart from 'reality'.

Note how natural it was for me to type 'brothers' instead of what seems most natural for you guys, always calling those not like-minded a lune, an asshole, or dumbshit. It took a lot for me to cross that line above. I thought I had no choice. Methinks I see my heart. Methinks you should try and find your own instead of devouring or transplanting someone else's.

I keep thinking I'm done here with near every post. How foolish of me. I may be here a long time. You can have the daily watch Fiji. I'll play warden. Thanks for the cordiality the last few days, all of you. As far as it went and as far as it will go, I feel like it was breathing above water.

A closing thought: If I could take away all your stuff, I think you all would get along blissfully. Or....you'd kill each other off real quick. Either way, I win.

Aslan is just showing his true colours by being an ass all the time now and frankly it's just placing a bad light on Ted's ART which is a good thing since sales will be falling.
So Ethan admitted to trying heroine? Big deal. Melancholy admitted to smoking pot. Will Aslan now jump on Melancholy for doing that also? lol Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I have a feeling that Aslan thinks he's some divine wacko and has a pile of stones ready to be cast. Melancholy, Fiji brought up Ethan because he's a well known and respected acoustic expert and has published a lot of material online for those who are willing to read it and learn. He is only one of many people online that are knowledgeable. Floyd Toole is another one. I find it ironic that Aslan has his own agenda against Ethan just because we have our's against Ted. Has Aslan been slighted in another forum by Ethan? If so, he should link what was said here for all to read. Perhaps Aslan got shown up as being as ignorant about acoustics in that forum as he is in this thread :) All he does now is post what Ethan said out of context with the complete discussion in those other forums over and over. It's only hurting his own cause by showing how little he has become but then why should we expect anything less from Aslan? He takes on the name of the mighty lion from Narnia that stood for truth and justice when in fact ASSHAT does seem the correct name for such as him.

Hey ASSHAT............WHERE"S THE MEASUREMENTS?????????????

Oh I forgot Melancholy, the people who want the music to sound like what came out of the recording monitors are also the MUSICIANS that played it :) If they wanted it to ring and be echoey they would have performed in a bathroom don't ya think? If you want to make what they recorded suit your own desires so be it but don't go around saying it's now true to their desires or how they intended it to sound. For that matter you might as well have bought a cheap equalizer and twisted the controls every which way but please don't say any result from the original intent is now high fidelity.

Tiny, you're looking for it. I've been watching your posts closely, and you seem more intent on continuing the divisivness than getting to the bottom of this hole. Yet you accuse me of going on and on at the same time, when simply, I'M TRYING TO BE UNDERSTOOD, SUCH THAT IF THAT WERE POSSIBLE, YOU SHOULD SEE ALL BY YOURSELF THAT THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ARGUMENT ANYMORE. You seem intent on bending my meaning. No wonder Aslan got so frustrated and took a quote out of context. He wanted you to see yourselves. I'm not justifying that action, but psychologically, it's very understandable.

Prejudging is dangerous, and it apllies to stuff because there's people who've made link with that stuff through their intention toward it--it's their creation. What has so provoked you against Ted that you attack a man who, for all you yet know, may have come up with the revolutionary product exactly as Aslan is claiming? Read Ted's posts. Couldn't there be a plausible reason, beside that he's a charlatan, which explains the reticence to tell the whole world exactly what makes these special? And he has given measurements. That you were not so motivated to get off your throne to go see the presentation is your own problem.
I think not posting on the net is a choice born of the harsh reality of today's market. This idea is easy to copy, and I'm sure he wants all that's coming to him. There was one similar device on the market already before he even started. As far as my ethic is concerned, I don't at all give him credit for an original idea. I give him credit for putting out a very cool product that works. I consider it a master stroke to veil all of his proprietary information and science in such colloquial terms. There is nothing at all dishonest about it. With people stealing information and calling it there own as often as that happens, can you blame him for being so guarded?
Tiny, I think YOU should be the one out of three that actually tries the ART system then reports back. I'm challenging you. There comes a time when all the words that one could say have been said, and all the actions one could take have been taken. Now it's time to just throw down--action--money where the mouth is. We're all stuffed down in the bottom of this pit with nowhere to go. For myself, I see no way up, so I'm continuing to dig down (to see if we are really stuck in hole) while you guys continue to try and get the others to dig for you. The analogy for fighting here is for you to try the system, knowing you will return it of course, then report back. I'm assuming your not an outright liar.
Your third line is just beyond at this point--like I'm a fucking idiot. You have to believe that don't you? When all I've done here is give myself the grace to speak. I don't claim to know, not even my spiritual point of view. I open my mouth, this comes out. I opened myself up to this side of audio and this is what happened. Get it?

I think the point of enlightenment here is for each of us to realize, FULLY, what and why we are here. So tenacious. So uncompromising. So FULL of ourselves. For me, so full that I felt I'd explode if I didn't let some lava flow. At this point, I look at all that has been written, and I wonder if I'm being talked to by one entity in truth. You all have the same spirit in that you won't let go at all of YOUR point of view to at least consider anothers. I'm innocent with respect to all of you as I've easily learned from all of you and am genuinely thankful for it. As much as Fiji has frustrated me from the beginning (a LONG time ago), did I not admit to respecting him when he chose to finally explain rather than rant? What say you, munchkin?

"Tiny, you're looking for it. I've been watching your posts closely, and you seem more intent on continuing the divisivness than getting to the bottom of this hole"

Lol I'm doing that huh? You think Aslan isn't the one that continues to spout off crap all the time?

"Couldn't there be a plausible reason, beside that he's a charlatan, which explains the reticence to tell the whole world exactly what makes these special? And he has given measurements. That you were not so motivated to get off your throne to go see the presentation is your own problem."

Oh rite I'm supposed to fly across country at my own expense to listen to some idiot telling us about how his junk "works". Give me a break Melancholy. If he has the measurements then he should post them plain and simple. NOT showing any scientific proof just makes him look foolish. There are such things as patents he can take out if what he's made is so special.

"Your third line is just beyond at this point--like I'm a fucking idiot. You have to believe that don't you?"

Hey, you're the one wanting to make what you hear all ringy and non true to the original intent of the musician. I think that speaks for itself.

You seem to want to defend both Ted's and Aslan's actions. so be it just don't expect respect from me for doing so,

ASSHAT is missing in action. He must be busy tracking down Ethan like the stalker he is trying to dig up more "dirt". Takes him a few days to Google enough info so he can come on here and post asinine links and misquotes BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

HEY ASSHAT WHERE"S THE MEASUREMENTS?????????????????????

Addressing your last line Tiny, I could also defend snippets of yours as well as Fiji and Johnny's actions as well. And I have. Read what I have written, and I can't see how any further argument is possible. We are indeed at the bottom. With me digging deeper, seems I only continue to find more insights into the human condition. And as with my experience with Art, I am eager to share, but it only ignites more hysterics from you guys. Want out? Look up and see the only way--try the ART system, implement according to enclosed instructions, listen, understand why I have said all that I have said, send it back, then apologize for the whole misunderstanding.

Where did the term ASSHAT suddenly come from up above? Pardon, but I don't get it. Is there a HAT (like dunce cap) for the one deemed the ASS in threads such as this?

Also, I can't help but notice that, though Aslan was the most egregious offender in bending another's meaning, we all are doing this. For myself, it is never intentional, and I would apologize if any of you ever find that I've made a mistake with the intent of your words. You get to decide what you mean with your words. The "you said" way of communication/ argument needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth. Looking at the foibles of human history, "you said" just about explains it all.

If you address anything at all in this post, this question is the most important from my point of view. Do any of you three--Fiji, Johnny, and Tiny--know each other personally or from other forums? The way you get along with no obvious contradiction is uncanny, and quite a mystery to me, save for a particular disturbing possibility, the least of which is that you have been previously acquainted. Are you in contact with each other outside this thread?

lol No I have never met or talked to either Tiny or JhonnyR in real life or on another forum.

As always: WHERE"S THE MEASUREMENTS??????????????

Yeah Melancholy, ASSHAT is Aslan's new name. Btw I've been calling him Asian all this time lmao I thought that was his name 0_o oops but it doesn't matter now since he's now known as ASSHAT xD Oh don't worry Melancholy about ASSHAT's thing about drugs. I'm high right now myself on weed :)
Like Fiji said, we never met or talked before to each other. I was reading here when I first heard about Ted's CRAP

As Always, to quote ASSHAT.........HEY TED AND ASSHAT WHERE"S THE MEASUREMENTS??????????

Yoo hoo ASSHAT where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu? BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Looks likie loser boy ran away since TED never gave him any MEASUREMENTS. No surprise really just look at Ted's website. Under FAQ and Ted's Tipa it says "Under construction stay tuned" WTF it's been like that for over a year don't they have any tips or requently asked questions? Well here's a frequently asked question teddy boy..........WHERE"S THE MEASUEMENTS?????????

While sitting at my computer reading the latest to come from the Idiot Twin's mouth my wife walks up and asks, "what are you doin honey?" I shrug my shoulders and show her the latest bile to which she says, "I suspect they have problems in the bedroom. Either that or they are drug addicts or alcoholics". Ahh she always hits it on the head. I then show her the links I found to King E and she just smiles and says- "have fun."

Now to address a few misconceptions you are putting forth for how the Acoustic ART System works or that it is somehow colors the sound by making a room "echoey". Nothing could be further from the truth. My flat lifeless recordings still sound flat and lifeless. My intimate (but excellent) recordings are still intimate but with a much more lifelike presence. And finally my orchestral and holographic recordings take on a dimension and scale that is simply breathtaking and not achievable by any other means I know of. Lastly the Acoustic ART significantly tightens low frequencies, improves mid-range clarity, and highs are sweeter and more extended- regardless of recording. Of course I have ACTUALLY TRIED THE ACOUSTIC ART SYSTEM, while you have NOT.

The fact that you still purport yourself like a stoned adolescent boy with a small pee pee is amusing- I am certain this is not lost on the casual lurker.

SO WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN SR DOES PUBLISH MEASUREMENTS?!!! Well?

ASSHAT I really enjoyed reading your make believe conversation with your "wife". hahaha yeah right I'm sure she said all of that dream on lil boy.

What bull shit, your second paragraph sounds like an advert from those slick high end magazines. Come on Aslan confess that you ARE a dealer of said product and get it over with.

Hey did you ever confront Ethan like I suggested in a real forum and ask him about this? Of course not lil boy you don't have the balls to do so hahahah you're pathetic. Go peddle your crap somewhere else to the gullible. :)

Your attempt at humor just plain sucks ASSHAT. Reduced to najme calling about drugs and penises how sad. I'm sure that isn't missed by anyone who cares to read your shit posts lol

To answer your last question........WELL LETS SEE THE MEASUREMENTS MORON!!!!!!

Mr Asshat, I was sitting at my computer the other day reading the latest from Ted's ass kissing twins when my wife walks up and asks, "what are you doin oh dear husband and the light of my world?" I shrug my shoulders and show her the latest shit to which she says, "I suspect Asshat has problems in the world of science and physics. Either that or he is a small minded little twerp that makes up stories so he feels better about himself ". Ahh she always hits the morons on the head. I then show her the links I found to Stereophile where Asshat was begging JA for some measurements and she just smiles and says- "God that fucker is a complete twat"

Now to address a few misconceptions you are putting forth for how the Acoustic ART System works .........oh wait I can't because it doesn't work. :)

The fact that you still purport yourself like a pompous ill educated Fox News supporter with no balls at all to confront Ethan or anyone else in a real forum- I am certain this is not lost on the casual educated person that reads your stupid posts.

SO WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN SR doesn't PUBLISH MEASUREMENTS?!!! Well?
xD

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! OMG that was an awesome post Tiny xD

"Now to address a few misconceptions you are putting forth for how the Acoustic ART System works or that it is somehow colors the sound by making a room "echoey". Nothing could be further from the truth. My flat lifeless recordings still sound flat and lifeless. My intimate (but excellent) recordings are still intimate but with a much more lifelike presence. And finally my orchestral and holographic recordings take on a dimension and scale that is simply breathtaking and not achievable by any other means I know of. Lastly the Acoustic ART significantly tightens low frequencies, improves mid-range clarity, and highs are sweeter and more extended- regardless of recording. Of course I have ACTUALLY TRIED THE ACOUSTIC ART SYSTEM, while you have NOT."

Yep that sounds like typical salesman spouting ad nauseum xD

Here is ASHHAT listening to his ART CRAP

http://www.funlol.com/189/Head_Up_Your_Ass.html

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

AS always: WHERE"S THE MEASUREMENTS?

Sounds like Bevis and Butt Head:

"I'm high right now myself on weed :)"
"Here is ASHHAT listening to his ART CRAP"
"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!"
"Your attempt at humor just plain sucks ASSHAT. Reduced to najme calling about drugs and penises how sad."

Oh wait it's only the IDIOT TWIN posting in triplicate. Again I LOVE the fact you'll smoke pot but will not try the Acoustic ART System? You must be very enlightened from all those bong tokes.

Now for some links that bear reposting (hurry and burry them under your usual pile of shit).

http://www.avguide.com/blog/rmaf-report-speakers-over-20k

http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2009/the_art_of_tuning/

http://blog.stereophile.com/rmaf2008/101408vivid/

http://www.vineyardsound.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56:rod-io&catid=34:test&Itemid=59

http://blog.stereophile.com/rmaf2009/i_hate_when_that_happens/#COMMENT

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=67104.msg620261

http://baasnotes.com/blog/2009/03/18/event-synergistic-art-system-power-conditioner-and-cables/

http://dagogo.com/View-Article.asp?hArticle=54

http://dagogo.com/View-Article.asp?hArticle=158

And as always:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

Hey ASSHAT you're so down on weed but will throw away $3000 on little salad bowls with little magnets, just shows that you don't have to be straight to be smart huh? BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! So what's your excuse for being such a dumbshit? xD

Yay all you do is repeat all those tired links over and over while IGNORING any questions. What's the matter, you run out of Google links for your education? *snicker* Hey I think shit needs covered with more shit so it's one big pile of stinking shit. A lot like your opinions xD

Hey can you answer just ONE little question?

WHERE"S THE MEASUREMENTS???????????????????

So ASSHAT, you once were friends with Melancholy but I guess now since he admitted to smoking weed that his opinions are now no good also? xD Come on make up your mind, Melancholy said he liked Ted's CRAP but I guess smoking weed now makes him a criminal in your eyes BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go suck on a Miller Highlife and listen to your silly salad bowls pathetic boy xD

No ASSHAT we like people seeing those links so they can judge for themselves just how silly some high end audiophiles can be :) Notice how none of the reviewers bother to take MEASUREMENTS because after all they have golden ears hahahahaha.
Yeah Johnny it is a pile of shit covered with more shit from Ted's crew.
What's the matter ASSHAT, you can't answer any questions anymore because of your limited knowledge in real science and acoustics? :)

as always: WHERE'S THE MEASUREMENTS?????????
Maybe you can get that whistler reviewer to whistle you up some xD

An interesting conversation...

==Sir, take a look at our new 1080P television.

Yes, but does it have a better, clearer picture than the rest?

==Take a look.

No, I'm NOT looking. Show me some measurements.

==Ahem. Sir, just 'look' at the screen, please.

No, no, no, can't make me! I want to see graphs and numbers.

==Sir, I really don't have the time...

So, you DON'T have an measurements! YES! I won!

==Did you actually want to buy a television today, sir?

I WON, I WON! See? You are just another typical salesman.

==If you didn't want an television, why did you come here?

Uh, well, I just wanted to show how dishonest you all are.

==Have a nice day...

When YOU come up with MEASURMENTS, THEN I will watch the television.

==(walking away...)

Hmm... maybe I should actually look at the screen. Maybe it 'is' clearer. No, can't stop now. I'd REALLY look like an idiot! (slinking out the door...) I WON, I won,...I...hmmmm...

BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Wow Asshat you are reaching new lows impersonating me in the above post plus it sucked so hard that no one bought it moron.

You are the one claiming Ted had measurements and will post them and that's all you keep repeating for ages NOW you are backing out of it? LOSER

See how Ted and company go back on their word? ASSHAT I'd suggest you just tuck your tail between your legs and get out while you can. It's only going to get worse with your mental postings. Seriously dude,you are getting scarey with your obsession :/ Nice way to show the world what losers buy Ted's CRAP

As always: WHERES THE PROMISED MEASUREMENTS????????

Plus BWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA! xD

Sad sad sad ASSHAT. Thanks for revealing your mania for everyone to see. Are sales so bad that you have to resort to this? Do you sit up late at nights now thinking up "funny" posts to us?

Just post the damn measurements you PROMISED????

Epic FAIL on your part

At the car store -

==Yes sir, how may I help you?

I want to take a double blind test of two cars.

==Alright...???

I want to compare at that Mercedes and that Pinto. I will determine which ride is better by looking at them.

==But sir, wouldn't you like to drive them.

No. My mind will trick me into thinking one of them has a better ride. I'm not falling into that trap!

...after a few minutes...

See, I couldn't tell the difference between them. There IS no difference!

==...but sir...

No, no, NO! If I can't tell the difference, then there IS no difference.

==...you can't be serious...

I'm not listening. I won again! Yeah for me!

==There is the bus, sir.

Wow, do I feel great! I think I should just pick up a copy of that special publication where people who have never driven a car can tell me how good the ride is. Actually, they always say that all cars are the same. Maybe I should keep my money. I'm smart! ...whistle, whistle, whistle...

Hi my name is ASSHAT and I like to tell you stupid stories using a false name because it makes me feel better about myself since I wasted $3000 on Ted's crappy little salad bowls. Yes I could have spent it on lots of cd's. You know, what do they call it? Music yeah that's it, but instead I have an inferiority complex and get my panties in wad when confronted online about my stupidity. I promised everyone that Ted would show you some actual measurements but have decided instead to back out and just spout off moronic stories that have nothing to do with the subject.

The above is sadly how ASSHAT thinks folks. See his cute little "smart" stories above? Both Ted and JA have backed out from supplying any measurements so he's desperate to not look stupid now. Oops looks like he's failed on that huh? hahahahaha Keep up the lame stories ASSHAT, what is your age anyways 15?

as always: WHERE"S THE PROMISED MEASUREMENTS ?????????????

I think it is pretty obvious what this person is doing, yet all you can come back with is "Inferiority complex"? My, Tiny, to anyone who reads your posts in their totality, that seems the best description for YOU, not to mention a glaring hypocrite. Just look in the mirror little one. So small you can't yourself? Reread everything from your first post on. See what I mean?--how you justify yourself in doing exactly what you are condemning in the other person?

Aslan's wife raised the point above, and I think it would be interesting to know on a psychological level, Fiji, Johnny, & Tiny, are you guys married? Girlfriend? Kids?

Also, anyone want to divulge the content of their systems at this point? Not as a question of status, but an attempt to more fully understand the divide between perspectives here. There is a definite difference between many high-end systems today and what most people would consider good sound. The design goals are very different. Consumer electronics, on average, go for what could be termed a high-fi (rock&roll) sound while the high-end is aiming more and more at an accurate reproduction of what was recorded, often described as live & natural (as if you where there). Make sense?

Forgot to leave you with my signature salute--F$$k off!

You know what Melancholy I don't care for your attitude anymore either so take your own advice in the signature salute :) Aslan basicly threw you away because you smoked some weed.........how pathetic is that? Plus he won't even address that to you to your face so to speak on here. He's a real ASSHAT so he gets no respect from me. He has nothing to show for all his boasting and promises just the same old blah blah blah.

I'm not here to discuss my private life, sorry. if you want to socialize then try a chat site.

Okay, one more - last one -

==Hey, let's go for a pizza.

Where to?

==Mario makes a great tasting pizza. It beats all the rest.

No, it doesn't!

==Hmmm...everyone I know says his pizza tastes great. What don't you like about it?

I've never tasted it. I'm not going to, either.

==Are you okay? Why don't you want to try it out?

Because all pizzas taste the same. They are all made from flour, eggs, cheese, pepperoni... Mario can't make cheese 'taste' better than the rest.

==Yah, but pizzas don't taste the same.

Actually, they do. You see, I understand everything about cooking. Flour is flour, cheese is cheese.

==If you just tasted it, you'd see.

No, no. You're not really 'tasting' a better pizza. Mario says his pizza is great and that tricks you into 'thinking' his pizza tastes better than the rest.

==Buy why do so many people love Mario's pizza?

They have all been duped by his advertising, all of them. They only think they taste a difference.

==But what about all the restaurant reviews?

There you go again. Mario pays off everyone who does a review.

==Boy, he must be rich! So, let me get this right...he pays reviewers and tricks everyone into 'thinking' his pizza tastes good.

You got it. And, since YOU are telling me to go there, YOU must be on his payroll. If you took a double blind test to see which was better or had some measurements to prove it tasted better, than I'd believe you.

==Uh...wouldn't it just be simpler to taste it.

No more, no more! I'm stopping. I win, I win!


.......okay, seriously, I'm sorry if I'm ruffling any feathers here. This forum seems to be either posted to by people who have tried this particular item ( I haven't ) or those who believe it cannot possibly work. Fine for both sides. I would imagine this product is relatively new on the market (?) I believe that if it did nothing, it would have been quickly dismissed and been removed from the market. Capitalism usually takes care of that quite efficiently. I've done a few quick checks for reviews and have not found one that claims it is a waste of time. Granted, you rarely find a review that grinds a product into the ground. Anyone who reviews audio, or for that matter, any kind of product has to maintain some sort of honesty or they will also become extinct. Time will tell.

The real problem I find with some of the posts here is that generally accepted accessories such as power cords, interconnects, cable elevators, and the like are also dismissed as being pseudo tweaks. You actually don't hear a difference, you simply 'think' you do.

Yes, I have a high-end system and have tried a lot of tweaks, as they call them. Among the components are dual Shunyata Hydra V-ray power conditioners, an Arcam CD36 used as a transport, a Bryston BDA-1 DAC, an Anthem D2, two Bryston 28B SST2 amps, and a pair of Guarneri Memento speakers. All interconnects are Tara Labs The 0.5, as are the speakers cables. The new name for the speaker cables is Omega Edge. All power cords (7)are Shunyata Anaconda Helix Alphas. Combined with a DVD, projector, and screen, I've invested well over 100K. Around $20,000 were spent on cords and cables, alone. For someone to try to tell me that cords, cables, and particular tweaks do NOT make a difference is both insulting and quite comical. Actually, more so the latter.

I recently compared a pair of XLO Signature 3 speakers cables to the 0.5s. Unless you were completely deaf, you would be hard pressed not to hear a difference. The XLOs sound very flat and two dimensional. The 0.5s make music sound like it comes from 10 feet behind you wall and extends another 10 feet in front of it. Point sounds are hung in space, not on a plane extending between the two speakers. As well, power cords do make a difference. What are the odds that everyone who has ever purchased a high-end power cord or interconnect has simply been fooling themselves that they 'think' they hear a difference. What are the odds that Sony Studios as well as Lucas Films has purchased Shunyata power cords because they have been fooled by advertising? Slim to none? As well, interconnects DO make a difference. I've heard over and over that a wire can't make electricity sound better. No, it can't. But if you think that all wires sound the same, they don't. You just have to choose the one you are willing to live with and afford. If you are happy with the one that came with your integrated receiver, they so be it. That is your choice. There comes a level though, where components become very revealing, more so than I'd ever imagined. Wires and cables become very subjective as each has a distinct sonic signature.

I've found that anything you do makes a difference in the sound. You just have to choose the ones that you prefer. Yes, being subjective. I have no interest in what graphical analysis says about a product. If it sounds good, I'll buy it. The whole nature of this hobby is subjective.

And yes, to ruffle more feathers, those ever-so-intriguing cable elevators do sound different. Ceramic ones sound bright and crisp. More than I prefer. I'm using electrostatic foam ones from a particular company. I will be trying Acoustic Revive RCI-3s. If I hear a positive difference, I will probably keep them. If not, I will return them.

It is hard to imagine that someone would be so dead set against trying something because they do not believe it could possibly work. Yes, if someone suggested that a baseball bat cut grass better than a mower, I'd think he was nuts. If a product is on the market for a length of time, and seems to have a following with positive comments from people, then I'd tend to give it more attention. But to dismiss everything is not the way to go, IMHO. If you haven't tried a product, you might have an idea of what you think it does, but you do not have a valid opinion of what you know it does.

So, gentlemen, I've only tried to mimic some of the 'don't want to' attitude I've noticed in many posts here. It wasn't meant to slam anyone, just perhaps pop a mirror up. If you are going to respond, please skip the 'You're Ted's employee, or you are hearing things, or any of the assorted vulgar names that have been thrown around here. Sorry for picking on your nic, the 'real' JohnnyR (would that be Johnny Richards?). It was just a convenient way of attracting attention.

Oh, and as for the A.R.T. system, I don't think it has proven itself in the market. Yes, there are review and assorted comments around but I think it has a ways to go to gain more acceptance. And yes, measurements can help some, but I'd rather depend on my good 'old subjective ears. I think 'they' have enough experience to let me know what they are really hearing.

Am I nuts to have spent so much money? I think it was worth it. Thank goodness that I have all the big stuff covered! There is no bragging here. I just take this as a very important hobby. And no, I'm not considered wealthy by any stretch. I've purchased some cables from members of Audiogon who would consider my system a spit in the ocean. To them, selling a $13,000 set of speaker cables for $4000 is like taking out the trash. To me, it's holy @#$! Take a gander at the components of the yearly Rocky Mountain Audio Show. It quickly puts anyone in their place. Now, I think THOSE people are nuts!

Damn, I hope my computer doesn't crash before I hit 'post.' I'm not typing this all over again...

Oh so the latest idiot posting here isn't ASSHAT pretending to be JohnnyR? That's even worse. Please pick your OWN name moron and stop trying to be "cute". I read through your latest post and you are yet another golden eared moron claiming you can hear differences in cables and cable elevators? hahahah what have you been smoking?

"And yes, measurements can help some, but I'd rather depend on my good 'old subjective ears. I think 'they' have enough experience to let me know what they are really hearing."

*sigh* another " I don't have to trust measurements cause I can hear good" idiot. Good luck passing a DBT or ABX test. You couldn't if you wanted to but wasting anymore time on you is just head butting a brick wall. Please do spend lots more money on gimmicks okay? I love the idea of YOU shelling out lots of cash to the snake oil people who laugh at you as soon as you leave the store :)

I try to speak civily and that's your comeback? I didn't claim to be golden eared. I simply said there is a difference in the sound of various cables and interconnects. I don't smoke. If you can't hear differences, then that's the way it is. Too bad you can't converse in an adult manner but have to resoft to the old name calling and childish chatter. I don't want to, nor do I need to take part in any test. I know what I hear. If I had to be convinced by someone - "Don't you hear it? Now, listen more carefully.... Don't you...just a little" then I'd end the conversation with "No." These are subtle differnces. They are quite noticeable. Have you ever listened to two different speaker cables? Have you ever tried raising your speaker cables off the carpet? The electrostatic charges of your carpet do change, to the worse, the sound that will be emited from your speakers. I found this out by accident and have tried a few different methods to keep the cables off the floor. If you haven't tried them, then I repeat, you have no valid opinion of how they alter the sound. Is this difficult to understand? I guess it is.


Did you think my post was for you? It wasn't. Are you somehow in charge here? I'm not wasting time on you. Sorry if you felt you were wasting it on me. If you are content with your system, then so be it. I already stated that. I'm not sure that adding an expensive power cord or interconnect to a low end system would yield any result, either. When you get into more revealing components, the differences become more pronounced. With the Guarneriis, you'd better have some good front end equipment or you will pay dearly. And, they aren't 'gimmicks.' They are audio products. I'm glad you enjoy me spending my money. I also enjoy it. One question - how do you explain all the people who have purchased these products and that they still remain on the market? Are they all...let's see...golden eared morons or idiots, as you state? You do have a rather predictable vocabulary. High end recording companies are totally brainwashed by advertising? While most forums discuss the differences between components and cables, you sit here and whine that there is no difference without listening to any of them. What goes through your mind? Salespeople laugh when anyone leaves their store? Is thie the best you can come up with? I think Moderator was quite correct.


Hey, Moderator, what do you think? Is this an audio wasteland or is there any one here who can actually converse properly? Is there anyone who actually experiments with audio products or is this website a waste of bandwidth? Good grief.

Hahahahah YOU come on here in a barely disguised name and post asinine posts insulting JohnnyR THEN get offended when you get called out? What a joke and what an idiot.
The same old blah blah blah from people that claim to hear differences in cables, power cords, cable elevators , you name it it's always a good tweek nutjob. Yeah I've listened to two different speaker cables they are called the left and right channels of my amp hahahahaha.
Hey dipshit you posted on here so any post is for anyone to read and respond to so don't get your panties in a wad.
You are the typical clueless brain dead twat that comes in here boasting about what they have and what works because "I hear it and that's good enough for me" and dismiss DBT and ABX testing without trying those THEN accuse us of not trying things . lol Hypocrite.
Yes I think most people are idiots and gullible. One good example would be GW Bush being elected not once but twice.Now wasn't that a great choice by the public? :) You seem one of the gullible that never got a real education but has plenty of money to waste. You should be so proud. You don't like what you read in this thread? Then leave and don't let the door hit your dumbass on the way out.

oh almost forgot............HEY ASLAN (ASSHAT) WHERE'S THE PROMISED MEASUREMENTS????????????

JohhnyR (sane version),
To answer your last question to Moderator (if I may), no it's pretty much a wasteland BUT that may be changing. You made some great posts and touched on a point that resonates with me (pun intended). In my system (North of 80k) cables and "tweaks" really define its sound and my enjoyment of music. That some maintain all such products are BS and fraud only gives pause to people like you and I who know better.

I also agree that the ART System is new as is its concept (cables as a system upgrade were new 30 years ago) but I assure it is the real deal- so much so that it equals the benifits of all my cables, PC's, and powerconditioner, combined. (of course none of those things do anything acording to those who will not even listen in the first place).

Now marvel at how fast Cheach and BONG swoop in here to bury meaningful conversation with their non-sence.

I almost forgot:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html

PS. Mel keep up the good fight. Their true colors are shining through.

I thought that was someone else other than aslan! & I was right! Well done Johhny!

Johhny, aslan, don't leave now. This is getting interesting for the first time in weeks. I was just about to leave off again for a few months. I have no time to write now & possibly for a few days, but I'll be back. Good sense of humor, Johhn. VERY good sense of humor--Nice and dry with just enough wit to balance things out here. This should be entertaining for us ALL now, to say the least.

But are you ALL ready? Anyone else want to join in? Nows the time. It's an even playing field for the first time since this began about 100yrds. up.

Tiny, I'd let you take higher ground over me if it suited you. For example, If Fiji would settle himself and speak like he did in his one great post, I might be asking him advice questions by now to balance myself out. It takes us all, I say, so long as we are humble and cognizant of our limits. Unfortunately, Tiny, you're coming off as an asinine hypocrite and you don't even see it. You must be in your early 20s. Seems like you're trying way too hard to be a grown up. Try just being yourself. And, yes, I already can see how my own words also apply in some degree to myself. What else could I do, though, in attempt to settle you guys down in this I don't mind looking in the mirror, meaning I don't mind being completely honest in both what I know and also what I have yet to learn.

I'm in my mid 30's by the way.

AAHH, well, I have to give Tiny an example it occurs to me. Tiny, I've accused you of being a hypocrite several times now. Here's one specific example. You accuse aslan as if you already know him even better than he knows himself. He says he has a wife and kids. You correct him and tell him he is mistaken. He says this (audio) is a hobby to him. You again correct him and tell him he is a shill working for Ted. You also claim to know his intention in everything he writes though he seems able to clearly state that for himself. So at this point, I felt licensed to ask you a personal question or two. Yet you, seeming totally disconnected from previous posts, come back arrogantly and state that you won't discuss anything personal and take higher ground over me. This could go for the others as well. You guys say near exactly the same things, near exactly the same ways, save for Johnny's BWAHAs. Uncanny in your synchronicity. Same spirit, same club. May as well be the same person. As I stated above, I don't know any of you, and have no aspirations to know any of you. I came for information, and now find myself giving information on what should have been totally unrelated--how to behave yourselves and why. Think aslan, Johhny and I friends? They are cordial, and so receive from me in kind. They've got rope to hang themselves with just as I. What would I do to stop them? None of my business what they do. That simple.

Well looky here we have the 3 stooges ASSHAT, Melancholy and the fake JohnnyR. Howdy guys and welcome to "Audiphools R Us" Can I interest you in some spiiffy hand made speaker wire that's only $1000 a foot? No wait I have some lil salad bowls for only $3000 whoooooo weeeeee!
Honestly you three are well suited for each other if not REALLY close to each other;)
Have fun defending your stupid purchases and "reasoning"
I find it amusing and sad that Ted still hasn't posted any measurements as PROMISED. What's the defense for that ASSHAT please let us know. How long does it take to post on the internet for Ted? He can't even bring his own website up to date. Laughable as you 3 are.Don't bother answering the questions ASSHAT, you never do anyways. Lets avoid the issues you brought up like Ted showing you measurements. Pathetic.

So which poster on here in the past 10 months was Ted or someone from his company? No one? yeah right

Cordially your's
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

My day just cleared all in a minute. One phone call. Amazing how we can over-think things. Amazing how I cared to type away here in the midst of a truly hectic day. My offended ego? Or am I just impassioned for the sake and right of my own fucking hobby?

On and On and On. JohnnyR, fuck you, but go ahead and take this buddy (hands over the bong). I know our quibbles could easily be solved with one listening session, my place, your preferred variety of smoke and music. You'd have to let me demonstrate afterwards MY listening preference though. You should read Ted's posts elsewhere, hypocrite, to answer the question of your last line. You guys attack at the remotest mention of any connection with Ethan Winer, yet look at what you do? You think a successful owner of his own company would come on here using some alias and take a risk like that? And for such as you (even at the top of the list on google)? How self-important. Are you really that important? Only to me it seems assholes. All you've got is me..... I'll keep digging.....

......Johhny, plainly you are still on higher ground than all of us. We are all mixed in together really cozy and personal down in the bottom of this hole. I can barely see you way up there. DON'T JUMP IN!!! Instead just try the salad bowls and report back. If you've got the money, pretty sure you'll be keeping them. If you don't, at least you can inform those who are watching this unnamed. To be sure, you'll get the usual from the three-in-one, but you so far come across as calm, intelligent, and relatively impartial--even transcendent relative to the mess we've created. I keep digging. They keep hurling their shit at me. I began as you, but I cared too much, so now am mired in shit looking just like the rest. Seems all I've accomplished is to create more room for their shit. Still have my pure intention though. So care to give it a go?

One last for the day, I can't help myself, Johhny, aslan, have either of you tried any of Jack Bybee's inventions? You might look into a modification of your CD player, tying in two slipstream purifiers just after the transformer. Things will get even better for you. And that is just the beginning. All of this audio crap, now that I think of it again, is JUST THE BEGINNING. The beauty of technology in it's final incarnations will be in simplicity. Man is but man. Can't paint shit white and make it not stink. We play act like sophisticated Trekkys only succeeding in miring ourselves further, yet once we get the fundamentals of our coexistence, the stuff to then come out......I'm a dreamer obviously.

I raised a point that should help get us a little deeper, yet still no mention of personally owned equipment. Please reread my post up above and list what you have in reply. It's an academic point, no subterfuge or ambush in waiting. I'm noticing, also, a trend in evasion by all three antagonists. Important points are raised with nothing but insults in cover for a reply. You guys don't care about us at all do you? Seems you just repeat the same thing over and over, insistent on being the last line, knowing the way of human psychology--that people generally flip to the end, having no time to read the whole story. This lends to evidence supporting the theory that you guys are somehow in competition with this stuff--damage control. The limitless human ego and his pride is the competing theory. Come on, it's just too strange at this point--the repeated, ad nauseam accusations of which you are so obviously MORE GUILTY. What's really going on here? We'll expect an apology and an explanation before the end. We almost had that with Fiji's epic post, but alas, within too short a time, he's back to writing on walls and throwing his feces.

It is theorized that earth's core is solid due to extreme pressure, but it is also said that it may be molten due to extreme heat. What wins out, the pressure or the heat? I guess we're gonna find out.....

In truth they're one and same, are they not--pressure and heat--cause and effect? For us to truly know, we'd have to go. Measurements fall short. And to go is yet impossible--we fall short. So It just IS what it IS, is it not? Aaahhhh! The bowls! I can hear the bowls! They're singing!! You don't hear it? Ah! Who cares about you, what lovely sound!

In other words, I validate your perceptions absolutely. That you don't also validate mine, albeit different from yours, means WAR. But guess what? You're fighting yourself--burning yourself out--just like a disease. I perceive no threat here. Do you guys get that? Frankly, this burns time for me, which I view as dis-ease of excess/ future. Ironically, it is also true that there is never enough of it--starvation/ past. All this writing lends to the chance to clarify some things rather paradoxical for me--that I and this is as nothing. In the moment is safety--MY perceptions toward what am viewing. And I'm just being myself to say all this! If I began using tactics, as you, this would get really nasty--evil in fact. Not a threat, just another warning. You guys are sending out a loud and outrageous challenge to be really fucked with. The arrival of Johhny is a potent example, but still rather innocent. You are at the top of Google, I'll remind. Again, frankly, that you don't seem to have enough intelligence in conviction of your own hypocrisy.....I worry about what may be in store for you guys. As that is on the verge of being a busy-body, doing your own thinking for you, I'll quit for awhile. But, my gosh, would you at least consider looking at yourselves in the totality of your words? Your message doesn't speak the way you may think it should. We others are simply letting you know in varying degrees of what really amounts to just a scolding.

DISREGARD THE ABOVE. A typing error caused a delete of a word and italics. Sorry.

To Continue:
In other words, I validate your perceptions absolutely. That you don't also validate mine, albeit different from yours, means WAR. But guess what? You're fighting yourself--burning yourself out--just like a disease. I perceive no threat here. Do you guys get that? Frankly, this burns time for me, which I view as dis-ease of excess/ future. Ironically, it is also true that there is never enough of it--starvation/ past. All this writing lends to the chance to clarify some things rather paradoxical for me--that I and this is as nothing. In the moment is safety--MY perceptions toward what 'I' am viewing. And I'm just being myself to say all of this! If I began using tactics, as you, this would get really nasty--evil in fact. Not a threat, just another warning. You guys are sending out a loud and outrageous challenge to be really fucked with. The arrival of Johhny is a potent example, but still rather innocent. You are at the top of Google, I'll remind. Again, frankly, that you don't seem to have enough intelligence in conviction of your own hypocrisy.....I worry about what may be in store for you guys. As that is on the verge of being a busy-body, doing your own thinking for you, I'll quit for awhile. But, my gosh, would you at least consider looking at yourselves in the totality of your words? Your message doesn't speak the way you may think it should. We others are simply letting you know in varying degrees of what really amounts to just a scolding.

I'll ask the same three the same question again. Why are there so many people who purchase expensive power cords, interconnects, and speaker cables if they all, in your opinion, sound the same? Simple question. No, don't ask for double blind tests, or Ted's measurements. Just answer a reasonable question. Oh, and not 'most people are idiots and gullible,' please. Would you like to email the studios on this list-

( http://www.shunyata.com/Content/clientlist-RecIndustry.html )

- and tell them they are 'moronic, idiotic, dumbass, gullible, stooges' who have absolutely no sense of hearing and have totally wasted their money? Post any replies you get. Please start with Lucas Films. Dear George, You are an asswipe shill who...

Also, please don't ask for Ted's measurements again. It's beyond old. My references to someone not being willing to watch a television, drive a car, or taste a pizza are exactly the attitude that is being demonstrated here by those who refuse to listen to a different cable. Imagine, avoiding listening to a piece of wire. I don't know of anyone who buys a product and then has someone arrange a supervised double blind test to see if they can tell the difference? I think people have better confidence in their senses. As I stated with the listening test between the XLO and Tara Labs cables, the diffence was quite extreme. If you can't tell the difference before you bought a product, then why did you buy it in the first place? If I want something better, then I'm not going to buy the same thing again because I have convinced myself that everything else is the same. Back in the '70s, everyone had the same clear plastic coated speaker cable. Things have changed, guys. The question nowadays is not if various cables sound different. The discussions (except for here) are about which suit various components.

Someone 'way up the ladder here' asked for the Audio Critic to evaluate some cables but he refused because he didn't believe they did anything. You accuse Ted of avoiding measurements that show what his product does but you praise The Audio Critic for not providing measurements that would disprove what a particular product claims to do. "I have the power to show that all power cords, interconnects, and speaker cables are the same...but...mmm...I'm not going to..." Uh, huh.

Another question that has been asked the three naysayers is - if you are not interested in trying out new audio equipment or do some experimenting, then why are you here? I don't think the people who read this post need to be warned about those bad audio salespeople who laugh at you after you purchase something from their store. I don't even know who you are preaching to here. If you are happy with your present equipment, then fine. Nobody has ever accused you of not being satisfied with what you have. I have no idea of what enjoyment you get from trying to put down anyone who has tried different equipment and has found that higher price tags give you better products. Are you trying to tell me that my system sounds the same as a $300 Sony receiver with stock interconnects and zip cord speaker cables? Are you serious?

Considering that someone cannot possibly believe that thousands of people are wasting money on products that they 'think' work but they, themselves, have not tried them leads one to the conclusion that they are not really here to discuss. They are here simply to ridicule others. I hate to get personal, but you do seem to have rather empty lives if that is the only reason you are here. I came here to share experiences. Yes, I started off by poking fun. I though it was needed here.

I undetstand what you are saying. Don't spend your money foolishly. There are products that people are trying to push on people that have limited or no effect. Be careful what you buy. I get it. But you can't smear thousands of products that thousand of people have purchased and enjoy by saying you don't 'think' they work, without even trying them.

People here don't need your warnings about not spending their money wisely. As I said before, capitalism takes care of products that have no value. That is why the 'this widget can give you 20 more miles/gallon' commercials last for about two weeks. The gullible buy them for a while but then they are gone. You are talking about companies like Tara Labs, Shunyata, Nordost, Kimber, Acoustic Revive...who have been around for years and are gaining popularity. Their research produces products that work, even if you don't think they do. How can you make a valid suggestion of 'they don't work' if you have never tried them? If I were you, I'd WANT to try out a cord or cable to show myself that it was worthless.

Let me guess....the come back will be Where are the measurements we were promised? Anything new on the agenda?

General question - Moderator, are you an actual moderator for this website or someone who has just chosen this name as your nic? Just wondering.

Not so fast...BWAHA. There, I feel better! Next!

Holy fuck what idiots BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........

This is going to be entertaining showing what you write to my friends so please do keep saying what you buy and believe in it's all good for a laugh that's for sure.

DBT and ABX are important tools to see if there really is a difference or you are just fooling yourselves. Which in this case you really are.

Fake Johnny, Melancholy is a space case as if you can't tell already by his rambling posts so have fun figuring out what he says o_0

Wow look at all those studios using fancy cables big woop. They got free cables and the company got free advertising funny how that works out huh? ;)

"Also, please don't ask for Ted's measurements again. It's beyond old. My references to someone not being willing to watch a television, drive a car, or taste a pizza are exactly the attitude that is being demonstrated here by those who refuse to listen to a different cable. Imagine, avoiding listening to a piece of wire."


The reason we keep asking for measurements is Aslan's (ASSHAT) promise that Ted was going to post some after he promised almost a year ago on a different forum to do so but never has and never will at this rate. Beyond old you say? Ted ignoring the issue is what's beyond old. Exactly a piece of wire. The purpose of the wire is to transfer the signal without anything being added to it period. If your cables are making the signal sound different then there's something VERY wrong.

"As I stated with the listening test between the XLO and Tara Labs cables, the diffence was quite extreme"

Wow then there should be a measurable difference then ya think? Got any graphs showing the extreme difference? Thought not........next.

"Someone 'way up the ladder here' asked for the Audio Critic to evaluate some cables but he refused because he didn't believe they did anything. You accuse Ted of avoiding measurements that show what his product does but you praise The Audio Critic for not providing measurements that would disprove what a particular product claims to do. "I have the power to show that all power cords, interconnects, and speaker cables are the same...but...mmm...I'm not going to..." Uh, huh."

Please feel free to write The Audio Critic and send them your cables I'm sure they can find someone willing to waste their time finding out what they already know about cables and power cords. He's only been in the testing business for over 30 years. Common sense which you have so little of, is the rule there I'm afraid though so be prepared to get your feelings hurt. Yes we accuse Ted because he SAID he would provide measurements but has backed out over and over. What is he afraid of? Perhaps real science and experts.Oh by the way Gordon Holt, you know the former editor and founder of Stereophile that you probably read from cover to cover drooling over those slick adds of pricey snake oil? Well he wanted Stereophile to use DBT a as a testing method. Imagine that. Too bad that idea got buried by JA long ago.

"You are talking about companies like Tara Labs, Shunyata, Nordost, Kimber, Acoustic Revive...who have been around for years and are gaining popularity"

Thanks for bringing up Nordost, I noticed they had a "revolutionary" new way of measuring cables at the RMAF. They showed some blurry graphs with no readable symbols as reference then proceeded to proclaim that this method will prove all those products actually do what they do. Funny how it made such a big THUD as it has all but disappeared from online and no mention anymore. I mean they spent all of 6 months "researching" it lol wow that's a "lot" of time to come up with a completley new way to measure things. Einstein would have been amazed. So if you can't show in a recognized traditional way with frequency and phase measurements that your product does anything valid, you just make up a new method to show it does. Problem solved lmao.Funny stuff, I'll stay tuned to see how well that works out. They should give a few lectures at the AES sometime and see how well that flies xD

Well I'm done answering your questions. Now fuck off and stop being an idiot. Oh wait, you are a card carrying member too bad

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

As always: SHOW THE FUCKING MEASUREMENTS TED or STFU

Johhny, I never expected to fool anyone as Moderator. I never expected to post in this manner either--intertwining fundamental insights on life while at the same time arguing the validity of an audio product. It keeps me entertained while I am genuinely under the belief that my continued posting may actually produce a worthwhile effect. Who knows what or who, but a worthwhile effect all the same. I hang in there because this thread is at the top of google, and so it follows that there must be more going on out there than the impression given by what's going on in here. I don't really care about the banter, beyond that it is wrong for these three to project themselves onto peoples minds so forcefully. Read my words above and you'll see that it's pretty simple--I'm doing what's in front of my face to do. It's just a challenge to keep this real, avoiding the death that these guys reached in their first few posts. They rarely say anything new. And what I would call new is actually them just taking a little time to calmly explain themselves rather than through insults. I'm near ready to give up as I've said near everything that it is in me to say. Space case? If you could hear what I hear. Anyway, melancholy is me the person. Moderator was meant as the lacking authority figure here. After yesterdays posts, I think it's getting old. This whole thing is getting old. That you took the time to also try gives me a little hope on who may be watching. We need more people with direct experience to post. That should be you Johhny. I can near guarantee, as aslan does, that you won't be sorry. Perchance you are? Just box them up and send them back.

John, you are funny. It's like listening to an episode of Trailer Park Boys. Fuck this...dipshit...moron...

I think a person above already emailed The Audio Critic. He got the same reaponse as I get from you...I don't think so, so it can't work and I'm not going to try it. See, I know better. That's right. Make me. I'll show you. It's amazing that in 30 years, he's never taken the time to evaluate an interconnect, speaker cable, or power cord. I"ve read through a few of his evaluations of products. He suggests not to gush over the character of sounds but to concentrate on the analytical aspects of a component. Huh? I AM buying a particular piece of audio equipment BECAUSE of how it sounds. If I don't like how it sounds, why the hell would I buy it if it has hice measurements?

If you scroll through websites that describe Shunyata cords and recording studios, you will notice the word 'purchased.'. Y'know, bought. I don't know why a multi MULTI million dollar company like Sony would bother with a peanut (in comparison) company like Shunyata. They would risk their reputation by providing false comments for a few thousand dollars of cords? Not likely. I think the CEO of Sony makes more during a sneeze. As usual though, you try to find a quick way out.

I guess these companies have either duped all of its regular consumer customers or have bought all of them off. I can't quite figure out which.

Your constant rant about testing. Do you need to tell the taste of a chocoate bar from a herring sandwich? 'You can hear a difference, but you uh, mmm... didn't....'

Let's see - quotes -

'Years ago, the Anaconda was used only as an in house world reference power cord for testing and experimentation, but like any good secret, word got out, demand started and a legend was born. The Anaconda Helix Series power cords continue the tradition. Despite their expense and complexity to produce and their matching higher retail price, the Anaconda Helix's continue to be one of the most demanded and discussed power cords in Shunyata Research's entire line. Countless studios, from Pink Floyd's Astoria to James Guthrie, from Sony to Rick Rubin, have purchased the Anacondas in bunches. If only the best will do, it's no longer a "secret" that the Anaconda Helix power cords are the real thing.'

If you actually take the time to read -

http://www.shunyata.com/Images/Downloads/cableguy1.pdf

- you might learn a bit about why they make things sound better. The components of a system are the system's own worse enemies. It's called shielding, among others. As all wires sound the same, do you use stipped 14 guage Romex as interconnects? Why not? OMG! They've even invaded Japan and tricked Sony Studios to use expensive power cords, even when they don't do anything! I would think the Japanese would be the first to tell someone to f@#$ off and leave if they came to peddle crap. And yes, Shunyata 'is' an American company.

Here is a good quote - 'Now listen. They sound utterly neutral and very precisely detailed. The soundstage is huge and palpable. You can look into the performance venue and visualize the performers.' Sound good, Johnny? Full of shit, right? Well, it comes from your buddy at the Audio Critic. Sound neutral? Huh? What measurments lead to a 'neutral' sound? You can visualize the performers? I will need a graph of the position of those performers. Actually, he provides three of them. I guess all those shaky little lines are the performers. How does he prove that the performers are more visual than others? Oh, I see. His measurement graphs do? But it can't possibly be, becuase I know that similar frequency response graphs would PROVE that all speakers sound the same. What peaks prove that performers are more distinct? Is he evaluating something by sound? SOUND! NOOOooo !!! BWAHAAAAA.

This guy is funny. Don't worry, not funnier than you, Johnny. Read -

http://theaudiocritic.com/plog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=12&blogId=1

This quote sounds scientific - '...requires no science but just ordinary common sense...' The last six feet of power cord are the same as the first six feet from the power station? Aren't those last six feet buried between all the RF emitting components of the system?

Anyway, I don't think we are getting anywhere here. I can appreciate the usefulness of scientific or quantitative measurements. I have a friend who was convinced he had found gold in a river at his parents' cottage. I took to one of the chem labs on campus, personally zapped it for him on the mass spec., and did the follow up. Here, bud. See the peaks? It's NOT GOLD! Purely objective. However, I'm not sure that all audio components and tweeks can be treated in a similar manner. See the peaks? It DOESN'T SOUND BETTER!

If a cheap stereo that sounded like crap was equalized to match an expensive stereo that had a huge sound stage and pinpoint imaging so that the frequency output of both pairs of speakers was identical, would they then sound the same? I sure as hell hope not.

I have two kids who are wondering what I'm doing. I'm kinda wondering also.

Back again. Well, got better things to do than argue with the deaf. Good luck to the any sane ones remaining here. Kids are more fun than this forum is. For the less sane ones, I don't believe you too have ever done a DBT using other equipment. You really are not interested in this hobby. You are more interested in sitting back, smiling, and typing vulgarities. You can listen to graphs. I'll listen to a great system. BTW...I'm awaiting delivery of a new digital coax. It will cost about $2000. Go and listen to your coat hangers. Buh-bye. Now leaving Wasteland. All aboARD!

Thanks for dropping by Fake Johnny you sure sound like the dedicated type that never heard a bad tweek a slong as it cost you a lot of money lol
I would repspond to all your blathering above but frankly I don't want to waste the effort knowing you are already convinced. You know what you hear and that's good enough for you lmao I'm not JohnnyR but I can defend my own thoughts on the subject and what the hell I have some spare time tonight.

Thanks for picking and choosing what you respond to in Johnny's replies. That's what good Fox News people always do also.

"It's amazing that in 30 years, he's never taken the time to evaluate an interconnect, speaker cable, or power cord. I"ve read through a few of his evaluations of products. He suggests not to gush over the character of sounds but to concentrate on the analytical aspects of a component. Huh? I AM buying a particular piece of audio equipment BECAUSE of how it sounds. If I don't like how it sounds, why the hell would I buy it if it has hice measurements?"

You think he hasn't ever tried cables or power cords just to see what all the fuss was about? You are a very simple minded individual then. Did you bother to read all the back issues from the last 30 years? Then don't open mouth and insert foot next time.Oh so you don't care about measurements but can rely upon your golden ears to save you lmao Wow you should get a job just listening to speakers all day so they could just throw away their design equipment and save so much money ;)

"you might learn a bit about why they make things sound better. The components of a system are the system's own worse enemies. It's called shielding, among others. As all wires sound the same, do you use stipped 14 guage Romex as interconnects? Why not? OMG! They've even invaded Japan and tricked Sony Studios to use expensive power cords, even when they don't do anything! I would think the Japanese would be the first to tell someone to f@#$ off and leave if they came to peddle crap. And yes, Shunyata 'is' an American company."

Shielding.........wow you are teaching us a lot there mr Golden Ears. Yes of course shielding is important you moron who said it wasn't? I just can't fathom how some people keep thinking that the cables and power cords are going to do a damn thing other than to carry the intended signal WITHOUT causing the signal to be CHANGED.........is that simple enough for you? oooooooo it's an American company like that's something orgasmic.........again moron.

"Here is a good quote - 'Now listen. They sound utterly neutral and very precisely detailed. The soundstage is huge and palpable. You can look into the performance venue and visualize the performers.' Sound good, Johnny? Full of shit, right? Well, it comes from your buddy at the Audio Critic. Sound neutral? Huh? What measurments lead to a 'neutral' sound? You can visualize the performers? I will need a graph of the position of those performers. Actually, he provides three of them. I guess all those shaky little lines are the performers. How does he prove that the performers are more visual than others? Oh, I see. His measurement graphs do? But it can't possibly be, becuase I know that similar frequency response graphs would PROVE that all speakers sound the same. What peaks prove that performers are more distinct? Is he evaluating something by sound? SOUND! NOOOooo !!! BWAHAAAAA."

Again you show your ignorance when it comes to describing actual sound and it's meanings. Let me try to help you out since you seem to have a problem looking up definitions online.

"neutral" means without any change from the original, nothing added or subtracted from the sound. Got that?

"precisely detailed" meaning sounds realistic, all nuances without flaws.


"The soundstage is huge and palpable. You can look into the performance venue and visualize the performers."
Are you too dense to know what that means? He meant the sound he heard was so good that each performer could be picked out in their relative postions in the original room as they played. What was so hard to figure out? By the way next time please link to the quote so we know just what situation he was talking about okay? Don't be picking and choosing like other in her already do out of context.
I would think a flat frequency response devoid of any major distortions would be a "neutral" response no? again you avoided sending any links so whatever graphs you are talking about is just guess work.

"But it can't possibly be, becuase I know that similar frequency response graphs would PROVE that all speakers sound the same"

Please don't be such an idiot Fake Johnny. Of course speakers sound different. They have different cross over slopes and frequencies and polar responses that will be shown in MEASUREMENTS. Show me any well know speaker company that doesn't MEASURE components and the finished speaker. You seem to think they just use their ears to do so? So do the MEASUREMENTS JA uses in Stereophile have no meaning to what is heard? Please try to be at least consistent in what blathering you are spouting.

http://theaudiocritic.com/plog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=12&blogId=1

Hey thanks for that link so people can read the COMPLETE article for themselves.

"This quote sounds scientific - '...requires no science but just ordinary common sense...' The last six feet of power cord are the same as the first six feet from the power station? Aren't those last six feet buried between all the RF emitting components of the system?"

So your expensive $100,000 or so audio equipment is so bad that it's radiating that much RF? Sounds like whoever made it needs to take a few basic courses in design before they tackle building "high end" audio gear ;) Oh and do they measure the results of all that RF at the INPUT or OUTPUT of the amplifier?
ANY well designed amp will take care of all that nasty RF in the power supply and never one bit will be heard or MEASURED on the amps OUTPUTS where it counts. ;) Wow wasn't that an eye opener? Actually seeing if there was any RF on the outputs to begin with BEFORE replacing a perfectly good power cord that the amp designer KNOWS works just fine. So you think the people that built the amp are idiots for not making the power cord "better' and costing $400? YOU are the funny guy in this case.

Yes you are wasting your time here and so am I trying to explain to you basic science, physics and COMMON SENSE which is so rare these days.
Toodle along and spend time with your family when you aren't obsessed with listeninhg to your power cords, cable stands and knick knacks.

Again another epic fail from another diehard audiophool that likes to show up and "prove" that what he heard is gospel. hahahaha keep em coming Ted and Company.


HEY ASSHAT: WHERES THE PROMISED MEASUREMENTS?????????

"BTW...I'm awaiting delivery of a new digital coax. It will cost about $2000. Go and listen to your coat hangers"

Gosh thanks for bringing that up like you did the Nordost cables (which you so blaringly IGNORED JohnnyR's post about their "new" way to prove that their cables do squat haha )

Have you read about the DBT people did comparing Monster Cable with coat hangers? Now THAT was laugh out loud stuff because none of the golden ears could pick which was which.........kind of ironic your spending $2000 on a digital cable but then again brains and money don't have to go hand in hand :) I'm sure soon you will also by some "tweek" that slips over that digital cable so all the bits and bytes are "lined up correctly" I mean gosh what if they got all confused on which way to go? lol Hey it will only set you back another $500 but what's that compared to music nirvana? Have fun wasting money and time Fake Johnny!

Awaiting ASSHAT"S (Aslan) miraculous return after Fake Johnny departs.........won't be long is my guess lmao

Hey Fake Johnnyy


For those interestd in what Mr Aczel has posted on the front page of his website here it is:

"Determining the accuracy of audio reproduction is a completely objective process. Evaluating aesthetic satisfaction derived from audio reproduction is, on the other hand, totally subjective. Critics who confuse or conflate the two are doing the consumer a great disservice and are responsible for most of the grotesque misinformation that blights today's audio journalism. We believe in measuring and we believe in listening but we don't believe in measuring with our ears."

Fake Johnny said:

"If a cheap stereo that sounded like crap was equalized to match an expensive stereo that had a huge sound stage and pinpoint imaging so that the frequency output of both pairs of speakers was identical, would they then sound the same?"

Please define the following "sound stage" "pin point imaging" and "crap" lol Not being very scientific now are we like you accused Peter Aczel from The Audio Critic. :p

If the "cheap" amp has a flat frequency response and low distortion and is compared with a "high end" amp with the level matched between the two to within .1 dB then the answer would be a YES. Of course YOU never tried a DBT or ABX test yourself but then again you are the expert on such things hmmmmmm? Lmao you are correct Fiji and JohnnyR yet another audiophool that got all butt hurt because we at this "important" thread lol keep using real world science and physics.

xD

EXACTLY! Thanks Johhny for taking the time. Both in writing and thinking before what is written. This was and will continue to be a major part of the reason for holding out here so long--'If I can keep the door open just wide enough for someone else to come in, maybe they've got the knowledge & wit to counter these guys.' All I could do was address their behavior and continue to validate myself in my own experience. It's good to find one's true strength in others. I don't know you of course, but if you never post here again, you've accomplished something good. These guys may sober up or they may not, but the information you gave, and personal perspective toward it, stands on it's own.

This generation will be defined by choice. Yours was a good one tonight. Take the time when you have it and feel inspired, but let the children be first. Let the children think for themselves. Our job is basically to keep them from hurting themselves & others till they reach their own state of accountability.

The characters here seem to have been told what and how to think. They don't seem to know any other mode of existence. When those rafters crumble, one sees how sad and pathetic--no foundation for one's own self. That right there is why I employ no tactics but the obvious in hopes they would see themselves. Honest, Fiji, Johnny and Tiny, you guys don't seem too intelligent, yet you're attacking people with genius level intellect--people who's bottom line may be affected by your defamation. If they decide it's time to attack back, well, I'll conjecture that you won't even see it coming. I've pointed out here, if anyone cares to ponder, some of the fundamentals of how all this stands up. Pretty much summed up in the words choice and will. My advice is to let those two devour each other and hold on for dear life what remains as your true choice and will.

My second child is on the way.....& all this is losing its meaning rather rapidly I'm glad to see.

Now Fiji, why don't you do us a favor in your next few feet of ranting and explain why, this time in your own words, a power cord DOES sound different from another. If you don't give us this, that we hear a difference, round and round we'll go. & again & again we'll going round again. Let's end this. CONSTRUCTIVELY!!!

In all honesty, indeed I am gullible. It took awhile to weed out the weeds and dispel the cobwebs, but it has led to an unswerving faith. This audio discussion is becoming paradoxical in that it highlights the chasm between mind and belief, a chasm that needs to be bridged. It seems one is going to hear what one chooses to hear based on what the mind has made up. I am coming to believe each one of you is seeing the world as you see it, yet also I believe each one of you is wrong at the same time. My point all along is that it's your fucking hobby & just a hobby, so who cares? Thanks for fodder to further insight. We're almost there.

Melancholy I gave up trying to decipher your brand of English a few posts back. Tell me do you laways talk like this in real life and do other slook at you like "wtf maybe I can make an excuse to get away"?

Sorry but I can't tell you why power cords sound different. Yes I confess I can not in my own words tell you why they sound different..........Maybe because they DON'T sound different :) I challenge you to have your amp tested with your over priced power cord and with the original power cord. By tested I mean frequency and distortion measurements on the amp outputs. Unless you do that then just listening is a subjective opinion that there is a difference. I've been through this over and over though so I'm not bothering going round and round with you anymore.
Your ramblings get on my nerves and I notice not even the people on your side of audiophoolery talk to you on here lol Like I said wayyyyyyyyyyyyy back up this thread, you aren't doing Ted any favours with your way of being weird but then that's good in my opinion ;) lmao

"The characters here seem to have been told what and how to think. They don't seem to know any other mode of existence. When those rafters crumble, one sees how sad and pathetic--no foundation for one's own self"

You are both laughable and sad melancholy. You think I have been TOLD how to think. Oh yes those pesky things called an education and schooling have done me in. Then I went to college and got a degree in Electronics. Oh yes, I was "trained" to learn about the real world and how things electronic work. Things like capacitors, inductors, resistors and transistors. You know those lil doo dads in your amp that make it work? You probably think it's all done by wishful thinking. Then I noticed all the bullshit in the high end audio publications, not to mention the corruption in the white house with Bush, Cheney and company telling us to be PATRIOTIC and run off and die in Iraq for their own greedy purposes. Yep sounds like I've just followed along like a good sheeple doesn't it? lmao
I suppose you go to sleep each night and the Audio Fairy visits you to impart her knowledge of the make believe world of cables, wires, and lil metal ringing bowls :)
In other words Melancholy you can kiss my ass and piss off.

Yep, you are correct Fiji. I noticed the other two (johhny & aslan) avoiding me as well. Yet to answer the other part about how I come across in person. Well, no I don't have people running away from me or giving the impression they want to. I will give you, though, that if I talk long enough, I can see their eyes start to gloss over. I've learned not get into these conversations as much as I'd like, but you guys also NEVER follow your own advice and shut the fuck up yourselves. Seems we're stuck with each other. But I see you have finally found the key to MY freedom at least. JUST IGNORE ME. So, I'm out. The words are the words. They're written, it's done. That you don't understand is no hurt to my heart. You're an equally foreign nature to my own, yet I give your ultimate intention the benefit of the doubt and accept you. Remember that in the time shortly to come because if you don't let go of what you think you know on just about everything, most especially people, you are fucked.

"You are both laughable and sad melancholy. You think I have been TOLD how to think. Oh yes those pesky things called an education and schooling have done me in. Then I went to college and got a degree in Electronics. Oh yes, I was "trained" to learn about the real world".....
................................................................................................................................yes exactly. Spend just one night looking into quantum physics. That will at least give you a clue as to where I'm speaking from. I'm not crazy, you are. You've locked yourselves into a paradigm of partial truths--your own private hell if you will. Now spend just one fucking night with your little computer you know so well and do what I've asked.

And so we leave off in the name of..... SCIENCE??!!!....you must be joking.

Melancholy,
Scroll up- I was addressing you when I wrote "Mel keep up the good fight..." As for Fiji I think everyone who reads this thread can see just what kind of an ass hole this guy is. His Flat Earth, head up his ass, no, no and heck no I wont listen to... and you CANT make me because I know better attitude places him in the ignore file for any true audiophile. The real clincher is his claim that power cords, interconnects and speaker cables do not, and cannot make a difference shows just how false his reasoning is. After all tens of thousands of audiophiles have actually performed the experiment to listen to cables and then voted with their hard won money. The sane Johnnys posts placed Fiji's position in perfect perspective.

You are also correct when you make reference to quantum physics as the real basis for what we are hearing in regard to cables, power cords, the acoustic ART system, and everything else that makes this hobby so enjoyable. That said I did see waterfall graphs at RMAF and know measurements are coming- they just won't show the full effect of the ART System because we don't know everything to measure for at this time. The old measurements simply do not have enough resolution to adequately describe what we so plainly hear with our own ears. Trying to use Fiji's "approved" measurement suite to describe why one amp sounds better then another (to him there is no difference), or why one set of speakers image so much better then another pair (again no measurement for that) or why two different amps which measure almost the same but sound very different is like using as cheap back yard telescope to PROVE there are moons around Uranus, or planets around distant stars in our galaxy. The arrogance of believing that we have reached a state of understanding that is beyond advancement is the same kind of thinking that prevails for all ignorant people. So do please keep up the good work Melancholy and don't let small minded people get you down.

http://www.avguide.com/blog/rmaf-report-speakers-over-20k

http://blog.stereophile.com/ces2009/the_art_of_tuning/

http://blog.stereophile.com/rmaf2008/101408vivid/

http://www.vineyardsound.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56:rod-io&catid=34:test&Itemid=59

http://blog.stereophile.com/rmaf2009/i_hate_when_that_happens/#COMMENT

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=67104.msg620261

http://baasnotes.com/blog/2009/03/18/event-synergistic-art-system-power-conditioner-and-cables/

http://dagogo.com/View-Article.asp?hArticle=54

http://dagogo.com/View-Article.asp?hArticle=158

And as always:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-ar